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Local billboards target Mormon doctrine
Idaho State Journal ^ | Jan. 9, 2010 | Sean Ellis

Posted on 01/11/2010 3:54:09 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian; monkapotamus; reaganaut; Vendome; SevenofNine

pretty much.


61 posted on 01/12/2010 12:03:58 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: reaganaut

LOL. gotta go to bed Mrs. Reagan


62 posted on 01/12/2010 12:05:00 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: reaganaut

Thing is; I prefer saccharin over sugar. But that’s how I roll.

Manana.


63 posted on 01/12/2010 12:06:26 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Colofornian
He says while the campaign does question LDS doctrine, it is not meant to attack Mormons. LDS members see the campaign differently.
 


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
He says while the campaign does question Christian doctrine, it is not meant to attack Christians.
 
Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, Catholics, Wesleyans, PRESBYTERIANs, Pentacostals, Anglican, Orthodox - all tend to see the campaign differently.
 
 

64 posted on 01/12/2010 5:27:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

The article said:
“The reason we do this is that we really do have a love for the Mormon people,” says Mark Cares, president of the group that is organizing the campaign. “Our ministry is to reach out to the LDS people.”

He says while the campaign does question LDS doctrine, it is not meant to attack Mormons. LDS members see the campaign differently.

I say:
When “true” Christians criticize Mormon, no matter how harshly and not matter how inflammatory the language, they do it out of love and are not attacking the Mormons. The love of God is with those “true” Christians and hostility in the name of Christ is not only permitted, but greatly encouraged.

When Mormons criticize “true” Christians’ interpretation of the Bible, then those insufferable Morons...errr...Mormons are attacking the Bible and have lost the love of God and they deserve to suffer severe and eternal flagellation and all “true” Christians should show their wrath by bringing their own horsewhip and letting it fly across the back of them dumb-butt Mormons until they can feel the true love of Christ seeping into their bones.

Yes, yes, yes, I know, we Mormons are so persecuted and we are just trying to make victims out of ourselves, but I find it rather humorous, and I really mean humorous, or is it ironic, that when the “true” Christians do X, it’s for the love they have for everybody, but when Mormons do X, they are evil and must be stopped at all costs.


65 posted on 01/12/2010 5:31:08 AM PST by urroner
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To: Graybeard58
 
Hog wash.
 
Been a long time since 'hosing the pig' was seen here!  ;^)
 
 
They're using BILLBOARDS because a STATUE is a bit heavy and expensive!



 
 The LDS Organization® prints Hundreds of Thousands of THIS yearly!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
The LDS headquarters; in the heart of SALT LAKE CITY, visited by THOUSANDS daily, has this placed in prominent view:
 
 
...which reiterates the charge that "they were all wrong; they teach for doctrines the commandments of men".
 
 
And they are upset by a BILLBOARD or two?

66 posted on 01/12/2010 5:32:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dixjea
You are just Ahab, continuing and continuing after your Moby Dick.

Tremendous theological insight!

Keep it coming!

67 posted on 01/12/2010 5:33:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dixjea
 
Speaking of Moby Dick...
 

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.








68 posted on 01/12/2010 5:35:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: monkapotamus
"Dang!

It's twitch my nose time; for it appears that we're all out of Pay-Lay-Ale!

69 posted on 01/12/2010 5:39:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: monkapotamus

“Get yer filthy hand off me, Joe, or this bottle goes UPSIDE yer pointy little HEAD!”


70 posted on 01/12/2010 5:40:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: monkapotamus
"What!!

The TWO of us ain't ENOUGH fer ya?"

71 posted on 01/12/2010 5:41:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: monkapotamus

“You’re PREGNANT??

(Where’s my broom...?)”


72 posted on 01/12/2010 5:42:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gamecock

ping to self


73 posted on 01/12/2010 5:42:35 AM PST by Gamecock (We always have reasons for doing what we do.)
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To: monkapotamus

“No - really - you DON’t need a hat!

I can see them words down it HERE!”


74 posted on 01/12/2010 5:43:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
 
“After all you can do” is a lot in Mormonism.
 
#3 says it: but ya just gotta love the ambigous "and so forth" too!
 

 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


75 posted on 01/12/2010 5:47:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
"Twistianity" strikes again.

I love it!

76 posted on 01/12/2010 5:49:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
There are two main interpretations of the LDS “word of wisdom”.

Why does the PLAIN ENGLISH have to be INTERPRETTED??

77 posted on 01/12/2010 5:51:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
 
Well, demons would certainly explain JS’s “vision”.
 
Well; that IS what the BOOK says!!





KJV
 Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
 
 
 
ANYBODY???
 
Like this fine looking fellow???
 
 
 
 
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
 13.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 15.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
 

Like THESE guys??
 
 
 
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 
 


 
Ephesians 2:1-2 
1.  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


 
1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
 
2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
 
2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

78 posted on 01/12/2010 5:53:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: urroner
but when Mormons do X,

Go ahead and do X.

Oh; be sure to PROVE your work; as my ex-math teacher used to tell me.

79 posted on 01/12/2010 5:54:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What was that organization you represent again?

Affirm something?

All I know is that you two look like a couple of crossdressers to me!

80 posted on 01/12/2010 5:58:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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