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To: verdadjusticia; Dr. Eckleburg

The belief that the Holy Spirit speaks through the RC Church magisterium is found no where in scripture, there is no infallible source for that belief but the mouths of those claiming it for themselves. It is a dogma made up of whole cloth (or should that be hole cloth?) where men declare it so.

To take that belief seriously is your version of faith alone (in men alone) or Sola Ecclesia Romanus

I prefer to set my belief on the Rock that is Christ..


246 posted on 01/05/2010 4:52:49 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

From: Radio Replies Fathers Rumble and Carty 2nd Volume

361. What assurance did Christ give that His Church would be preserved from error?
When He said, “I will build my Church,” He also said that “the gates of hell
would never prevail against it.” Matt. XVI., 18, But the forces of evil and errror would have prevailed against the Church had she not been rendered infallible. Again, He commanded men to hear the Church under pain of damnation. He sent the Church to teach in His name, and said, “He who hears you hears me.” Lk. X., 16. And again, “He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not, shall he condemned.” Mk. XVI., 16. He could not order us to believe the Church, with our very salvation at stake, yet not guarantee His Church against the possibility of leading us into disastrous errors quite opposed to His teachings. Moreover when He commissioned the Church to go and to teach all nations, He promised to be with her all days till the end of the world (Matt. XXVIII., 20), and He sent the Holy Spirit to keep her as the “pillar and ground of truth.” All this forbids the possibility of a departure from the revealed truth; or, in other words, constitutes pledge of perpetual infallibility.

Radio Replies Fathers Rumble and Carty 3rd Volume

230. QUESTION: It is the Catholic claim to infallibility that is the trouble. That makes her hard on others as noninfallible Churches need never be.

ANSWER: The Catholic Church is not hard on others. She is uncompromising. With this reservation, I admit that her exclusiveness is due to her infallibility. She denies that men have the right to dispute any truth revealed by Christ. That necessarily follows from her doctrine that Christ is God. Sabatier, a French Protestant, admitted straight out that an indisputable religious truth supposes an infallible Church. He proved that no Church could maintain any definite doctrines unless it were infallible, and accepted as infallible. And he showed that psychologically, socially, and in actual fact, doctrinal chaos and unbelief must result without the safeguard of a final living authority. He himself refused to accept any infallible Church, so gave up believing that any indisputable truth can be known. In other words, he gave up Protestantism for Modernism. deriving all real value to statements of belief issued by any Church, whether Catholic or Protestant.


295 posted on 01/05/2010 12:32:21 PM PST by verdadjusticia
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To: RnMomof7

RnMomof7 WROTE:
The belief that the Holy Spirit speaks through the RC Church magisterium is found no where in scripture

verdadjusticia RESPONDS:

I showed you where it is in scripture by a separate posting. Now I bounce it back to you; your belief in “bible only” is found no where in scripture!

1) Sola scripture is not taught in the Sacred Scriptures.

2) Sola scriptura is an example of the logical fallacy of begging the question, in as much as the canonical scriptures never identify what is and what is not Scripture.

3) Sola scriptura was not believed by anybody until the Reformation, and is thus a tradition of man, condemned by our Divine Lord Jesus Christ.

4) The Sacred Scriptures teach that oral tradition is a source of revelation.

5) The Sacred Scriptures show the Catholic system of authority.

6) The writings of the earliest Christians show the Catholic system of authority.


300 posted on 01/05/2010 12:53:45 PM PST by verdadjusticia
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To: RnMomof7
Amen, there is only One that is infallible and it turns out that He has never been to Rome.
437 posted on 02/14/2010 7:03:14 PM PST by SQUID
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