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Until apologists can explain things without snark, we are never going to come to an understanding. As a Catholic convert, I will tell you right now that if someone had compared my being a Methodist to a Moslem I would have been very insulted.

When I got to that passage, I quit reading.

We have more in common with other Christians than we have differences, and that part of this article is good. But the author JUST COULD NOT AVOID THE TEMPTATION to be be patronizing and insulting. SO all of his effort at explanation is wasted because of his attitude.


47 posted on 01/03/2010 3:42:08 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
But the author JUST COULD NOT AVOID THE TEMPTATION to be be patronizing and insulting. SO all of his effort at explanation is wasted because of his attitude.

I'm a cradle Catholic and that bothered me also. I come from as insular a Catholic community in a city as you can get (and truthfully, nowhere close to being marginalized). The sisters and priests who taught us would have made the author rewrite this and take all of that out. Pride has no place in the discussion.

52 posted on 01/03/2010 3:51:38 PM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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Well, to be fair, the piece was written in 1988.
This was before even the FIRST Gulf War, and long before we all became so aware and so frustrated by the huge problem - the menace - of islam. I doubt if that reference would have seemed like such an insult in 1988.


76 posted on 01/03/2010 5:36:38 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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Agreed. The article is a bit snarky.


77 posted on 01/03/2010 5:38:34 PM PST by cammie
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I really don’t think that is intended as a snark. Rather, I see it as a warning.

It should be noted that Islam started as a Christian heresy.


101 posted on 01/03/2010 6:34:39 PM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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Hey thanks for noticing the snark, the article is offensive right off that bat. As a christian, I came to know Christ in a protestant church, as of late I have been wondering WHY the churches are so divided and this kind of snarky article instead of bridging the divide causes irritation, it is not written with a heart of love.


109 posted on 01/03/2010 6:43:27 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Miss Marple
As a Catholic convert, I will tell you right now that if someone had compared my being a Methodist to a Moslem I would have been very insulted.

I don't really think of "Methodists" and "fundamentalists" as being interchangeable categories. I suppose there's such a thing as a "fundamentalist Methodist," but I can't say I've ever met one.

Kreeft mentions Moslems in two places.

  1. He compares the fundamentalist "plenary verbal inspiration" theory of Scripture to the Moslem view of the Koran. This isn't quite correct, IMO, except for a very few fundamentalists. Moslems actually believe that the Koran was with God in the beginning, before creation. That's an even higher "view" of inspiration than the "plenary verbal" theory; one which makes the Koran out to be almost divine in and of itself.
  2. He says that fundamentalists want their religion to be simple, like Moslems do. That much I can't really argue with.

166 posted on 01/04/2010 5:49:33 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Miss Marple
Until apologists can explain things without snark, we are never going to come to an understanding. As a Catholic convert, I will tell you right now that if someone had compared my being a Methodist to a Moslem I would have been very insulted.

When I got to that passage, I quit reading.

We have more in common with other Christians than we have differences, and that part of this article is good. But the author JUST COULD NOT AVOID THE TEMPTATION to be be patronizing and insulting. SO all of his effort at explanation is wasted because of his attitude.

The Catholic Church in the United States has some very distinctive attributes as opposed to the Catholic Church in other countries. In most of the world the Catholic Church is the church of everyone--rich and poor, nobility and peasant, intellectual and simpleton. But in the United States the Catholic Church occupies a very small niche: immigrant, urban, liberal (in the old sense), and very, very, very intellectual--and unfortunately that means snarky. The Church that baptizes totem poles out of compassion for "indigenous pipples" can't seem to tolerate Southern hicks who believe the first eleven chapters of Genesis are as literal and historical as the rest of the Bible.

Nineteenth century liberal Protestant criticism has been adopted as a distinguishing characteristic of Catholic identity, coming right after Mary and the papacy.

191 posted on 01/04/2010 10:41:23 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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