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To: Miss Marple
As a Catholic convert, I will tell you right now that if someone had compared my being a Methodist to a Moslem I would have been very insulted.

I don't really think of "Methodists" and "fundamentalists" as being interchangeable categories. I suppose there's such a thing as a "fundamentalist Methodist," but I can't say I've ever met one.

Kreeft mentions Moslems in two places.

  1. He compares the fundamentalist "plenary verbal inspiration" theory of Scripture to the Moslem view of the Koran. This isn't quite correct, IMO, except for a very few fundamentalists. Moslems actually believe that the Koran was with God in the beginning, before creation. That's an even higher "view" of inspiration than the "plenary verbal" theory; one which makes the Koran out to be almost divine in and of itself.
  2. He says that fundamentalists want their religion to be simple, like Moslems do. That much I can't really argue with.

166 posted on 01/04/2010 5:49:33 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

1. Methodists aren’t fundamentalists, of course. What I was trying to say is that if I were a fundamentalist, I would be insulted by this comparison.

2. It is not necessary to drag Muslims into the discussion. The author could have just said, “Fundamentalists want their religion simple.” The addition of “as Moslems do” was unnecessary and a gratuitous slam.

I stand by my opinion.

We cannot have discussions when one side (or the other) writes articles which are laced with little snarky comments like this.

Would the Holy Father write something like this? No. He is working to try to bring people INTO the Church and reconcile the differences between branches of Christianity; he is not trying to score points.


170 posted on 01/04/2010 7:28:33 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Campion; Miss Marple
1.He compares the fundamentalist "plenary verbal inspiration" theory of Scripture to the Moslem view of the Koran. This isn't quite correct, IMO, except for a very few fundamentalists. Moslems actually believe that the Koran was with God in the beginning, before creation. That's an even higher "view" of inspiration than the "plenary verbal" theory; one which makes the Koran out to be almost divine in and of itself.

Actually, it's also very similar to the Jewish Tradition that G-d wrote the Torah before He created the universe, using it as the "blueprint" of creation. This Torah was, in the 26th generation of the world, dictated to Moses letter for letter, and Moses wrote it down. However, Catholic apologeticists don't like to dignify Fundamentalist Protestants by comparing them to Jews, and they enjoy causing the maximum amount of pain, so they compare them to moslems instead. Well . . . there is the fact that Catholics tend to think that all Jews are "Reform," since Catholicism's view of the Bible is closer to Reform than it is to authentic Judaism ("Orthodoxy").

2.He says that fundamentalists want their religion to be simple, like Moslems do. That much I can't really argue with.

Well now, Billy Bob can't help the fact that G-d didn't give him the deep intellect of a Guatemalan peasant, can he?

194 posted on 01/04/2010 11:04:21 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayar' vehinneh haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'eynennu 'ukkal.)
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