Posted on 12/29/2009 9:33:23 AM PST by Patrick Madrid
This audio clip is from one of my recent shows, in which a caller wanted (I think) to publicly put me on the spot over why I "de-friended" him on my Facebook page. As you'll hear, the reason was because of something he said to some of the women there about their having had an abortion.
The problem was that he branded such women as "murderers" because 1) abortion is murder and 2) they had aborted one or more of their children. His logic is correct, at least in a sense, because abortion is murder. But the way he put that logic into practice was, in my view, wrong-headed and counterproductive, and in this audio clip, I explain why. Take a listen . . .
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Pardon me for not also doing this the first time I saw one of your posts;
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Query: If Rush Limbaugh joined FR today and put up this exact same kind of thread, would you oppose it so vehemently? Just curious.
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“which you could do.”
Why would I? I just don't have a problem with prominent bloggers and writers posting short threads that link to their latest offerings.
Since this seems to offend you for some reason, I imagine that posting Patrick's on-line articles to threads here at FR is something which you could do.
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Well said on ALL points chuckles. Truly, being saved and forgiven, all that is seen by God is the blood of Christ on you. But it is within ourselves, where forgiveness is so tough to receive.
You speak well when you say that repentence will also bring out the need and ability and desire to speak out against what you were, if you have truly accepted Grace.
Thank you for much to think on.
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Case closed. Seems to me I’ve only seen things from him that are about is blog or ‘radio’ show. Additionally, I’ll hazard to guess that you never saw Rush call into one of his own shows and pump himself up. The point is that if something is good, word gets around - hawking it up doesn’t do anything but turn anyone off.
Whether she visits his site or not doesn't change the fact that abortion is murder, lying is lying, stealing is stealing, and so forth. There are many that sit in pews each Sunday that have not fully repented of their evil ways. What does it say about the woman if the truth offends her? The messenger of the truth is not at fault for speaking truth. All truth will confront a sinner. They deny what is clearly in front of them. Has she really repented if she disagree's with God that abortion makes her a murderer? Disagreeing with facts doesn't make them untrue.
Just like Patrick said, he speaks truth with love. I have spoken to women with abortions and homosexuals that still practice and the truth is still the truth. I find the hard part with women is them admitting they did anything wrong. When they do seek forgiveness, then somehow what they did wasn't the same as what Gotti did. Then if they finally admit they need Jesus, then they carry the weight around not forgiving themselves. God makes promises and does not lie. If you have repented, you are forgiven. If you have repented, you CANNOT even hint that what you did is OK. Murder is shedding of innocent blood. Abortion,...you cannot be more innocent blood than that.
If a woman has admitted to abortion and says she believes it is wrong, and seeks forgiveness, then how can she deny there is something to forgive? At some point, Patrick must decide if he wants to tell the truth or have women come to his website. By dropping people off his Facebook, is he not alienating others?
Yes, that’s a lovely post. Doesn’t answer my question, though.
The hard part is always convincing them that God has already forgiven them and they are "clean". They have trouble with faith that God made a statement and always keeps His Word. Forgiving themselves is always a stumbling block.
God says that He is quick to forgive, He wants the best for us, and that His plans for our lives are always good. They cannot have that much faith and believe they must perform some act to make up for their sins. They stay in denial. You can explain 20 times that Jesus did that work for us on the cross, and it just makes no sense to them. I admit, that if I had killed someone so innocent, I would have trouble also, but all I have is the promises of God that there is no sin too big for the blood of Jesus to wash clean.
My personal opinion is we need to have free counseling for women that have done this. Even non Christians may come to the fact that they murdered their own child. PTSS is real and often overwhelms women when they have their epiphany. God has given His Word to us that we can be saved from our sin, but believing it takes faith. Faith is a gift from God and cannot be passed on by earthly diatribe. If a woman cannot come to grips with their sin, then they have a faith problem, and dancing around the word "abortion" isn't going to fix their faith problem. If they can't confront the words, how can they have faith they have been forgiven?
It's a tough problem, but murder is still murder, and lying is still lying. Today on TV, you hear the talking heads saying a politician has disassembled, or his statement is no longer viable, instead of saying he lied. God knows what he did and he still must repent no matter what you name it. You can see the results of that message by looking at the Health Bill and we are still going to treat illegals and there are still Death Panels, no matter what the talking heads say. If we call abortion something other than murder, it will never be changed and we will be arguing semantics forever.
I agree. If someone kills another and asks for forgiveness they are still a murderer their history is not wiped away because they are forgiven. I don’t see abortion as being any different. Not meant to hurt anyone but facing the truth to me is more inportant than touchy feely stuff.
To make a long story short, she murdered a couple with a pick axe while in a drug induced state. She was found guilty and sentenced to death. During her incarceration, she came to Jesus and was saved. She married a preacher while behind bars and held church services for the women in prison. Many people said," it's just another jailhouse Jesus deal and pooh poohed her "salvation". As her appeals ran out and her death neared, her case became widley know throughout the Christian community. Pat Robertson, and Falwell, as well as many others, visited her and were convinced of her salvation. Bush could have delayed her sentence, but under Texas law, he was pretty much tied to delaying her sentence by 30 days and not to commute her sentence. As a Christian, my discernment told me she was no longer a threat to society, and I'm about as conservative as it gets with convicted murderers. As a Christian, however, she did the crime and the society had required her life as payment for that. If I had the power, I would have forgiven her and commuted her sentence to life without parole. Her work in the prison was impressive. I did realize the debt she owed, however, and accepted the state descion to kill her.
Killing her did not make us safer, but she did the crime.
He's doing the EXACT same thing that this guy GENE LALOR at GENE LALOR.COM did a while back....self-promote, link to GENELALOR.COM, self-promote, cite his own articles, GENELALOR.COM and so on. All he did was to create his own push-and-talking point polls, throw out philosophical questions, etc. that ALL ended up linking back to his blog.
Good to see you posting Patrick. Now I can bookmark your site.
As you have probably noticed Free Republic is like most of the internet. Full of angry, rude people.
I have many of your books and they have been a wonderful aid to my journey to Catholicism. As a new Catholic, I have been saddened by the attitude of many here toward the Catholic Church.
Keep up the posts Patrick, I'm interested in the truth not in any perceived motives behind your posts here at FR.
Happy New Year and God bless!
“If he is so famous then why is he self-promoting like this; why weren’t you?”
If you’re with the FR Thread Police I’d like to see some credentials?
I addressed my original complaint to Patrick and then to someone
else who directly addressed me. Your opinion is of no meaning.
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