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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Artifacts, logic, and evidence is not "making it up".

What 'artifacts', what physical evidence is there showing JoA in Britain BEFORE the church was even established in Rome. What kind of logic is based upon fiction - other than star trek. What 'evidence' - other than fictional accounts.

As I said, historians also dismiss Jesus.

You citation showed that while the History channel avoided Jesus' supernatural claims, they did not dismiss his person in Israel NOR did they place him in some other portion of the world.

Which is illogical because India and Tibet did not become Christian strongholds.

"Doctrines of the Apostles" (2d Century) states "India and all its own countries and those bordering it, even to the farthest sea, received the Apostle's Hand of Priesthood from Judas Thomas, who was the Guide and Ruler in the Church which he built there and ministered there."

Sounds like early Christianity found fertile ground there as well during the same time frame.

There's no doubt tin was mined there for thousands of years. The connection between the area Joseph hailed from and Cornwall is established through the Phoenicians.

Show the physical, archaeological evidence that JoA established Christianity in the way so described. Supposition is no substitute for physical evidence, myth and legend are not equivalent to facts and archaeological evidence. Are you able to prove your point without supposition or begging the point? We have yet to see.

Why just Britain?

No doubt there were others, but in this case study the history of the kings of Britain and you'll see efforts to raise their stature over those of their neighbors (and vice versa) and a myth suggesting AD37 establishment of the church in England would enhance their status. It was also a period of relics and pilgrimages - and that claim would bring the pilgrims in (and their money) as well as status. The reasons are numerous - you'd do well to study them more.

Tin mines, Phoenicians, rise of Christianity so fast as to compete with Rome...it's there.

Sad to uphold fiction as fact. Christianity spread very rapidly across ALL of Europe, and nothing indicates or supports an explosive growth in England. Christianity took advantage of the Pax Romania to grow throughout Europe - including the British isles, growth there did not exceed growth throughout the rest of the empire.

It was a heck of a rise, faster than anywhere else.

Again, supposition lacking facts but relying on faery tales. Prove it with sources outside myth. The first physical evidence of Christianity in England is from the late 2nd century AD. It wasn't until Emperor Constantine granted freedom of worship to Christians and during the 4th century Christianity became widespread in England. If you bother to look at broader church history, you will see that this was the case throughout the Roman empire - not just England alone.

166 posted on 12/29/2009 11:22:14 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
What 'artifacts', what physical evidence is there showing JoA in Britain BEFORE the church was even established in Rome. What kind of logic is based upon fiction - other than star trek. What 'evidence' - other than fictional accounts.

Hebrew names of place around where there would have been mines. Ancient carvings and paintings.

You citation showed that while the History channel avoided Jesus' supernatural claims, they did not dismiss his person in Israel NOR did they place him in some other portion of the world.

If they can't even get that he's the son of God correct, then why listen to them?

"Doctrines of the Apostles" (2d Century) states "India and all its own countries and those bordering it, even to the farthest sea, received the Apostle's Hand of Priesthood from Judas Thomas, who was the Guide and Ruler in the Church which he built there and ministered there." Sounds like early Christianity found fertile ground there as well during the same time frame.

You're saying India was a Christian nation then?

Show the physical, archaeological evidence that JoA established Christianity in the way so described. Supposition is no substitute for physical evidence, myth and legend are not equivalent to facts and archaeological evidence. Are you able to prove your point without supposition or begging the point? We have yet to see.

An old Welsh manuscript refers to Joseph was "decurion". That is a minister of mines.

No doubt there were others, but in this case study the history of the kings of Britain and you'll see efforts to raise their stature over those of their neighbors (and vice versa) and a myth suggesting AD37 establishment of the church in England would enhance their status. It was also a period of relics and pilgrimages - and that claim would bring the pilgrims in (and their money) as well as status. The reasons are numerous - you'd do well to study them more.

So not an honest man to be found in Britain at the time. Why is it the British lie so much more than anyone else?

Sad to uphold fiction as fact. Christianity spread very rapidly across ALL of Europe, and nothing indicates or supports an explosive growth in England. Christianity took advantage of the Pax Romania to grow throughout Europe - including the British isles, growth there did not exceed growth throughout the rest of the empire.Again, supposition lacking facts but relying on faery tales. Prove it with sources outside myth. The first physical evidence of Christianity in England is from the late 2nd century AD. It wasn't until Emperor Constantine granted freedom of worship to Christians and during the 4th century Christianity became widespread in England. If you bother to look at broader church history, you will see that this was the case throughout the Roman empire - not just England alone.

Several papal councils starting with Pisa concluded that Britain was the first to accept Christianity.

So what's your story? Why are you so passionate about disproving Jesus ministered before the age of thirty or that Joseph of Arimathea was uncle to Jesus?

169 posted on 12/29/2009 12:51:10 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Godzilla
What 'artifacts', what physical evidence is there showing JoA in Britain BEFORE the church was even established in Rome.

Why, the graal, as related by Profs. de Troyes and von Eschenbach. Of course!

Recent discoveries about this unique artifact made by Profs. Henry Jones and Henry Jones, Jr., have been particularly revealing.

214 posted on 12/29/2009 7:55:28 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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