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To: Godzilla
What 'artifacts', what physical evidence is there showing JoA in Britain BEFORE the church was even established in Rome. What kind of logic is based upon fiction - other than star trek. What 'evidence' - other than fictional accounts.

Hebrew names of place around where there would have been mines. Ancient carvings and paintings.

You citation showed that while the History channel avoided Jesus' supernatural claims, they did not dismiss his person in Israel NOR did they place him in some other portion of the world.

If they can't even get that he's the son of God correct, then why listen to them?

"Doctrines of the Apostles" (2d Century) states "India and all its own countries and those bordering it, even to the farthest sea, received the Apostle's Hand of Priesthood from Judas Thomas, who was the Guide and Ruler in the Church which he built there and ministered there." Sounds like early Christianity found fertile ground there as well during the same time frame.

You're saying India was a Christian nation then?

Show the physical, archaeological evidence that JoA established Christianity in the way so described. Supposition is no substitute for physical evidence, myth and legend are not equivalent to facts and archaeological evidence. Are you able to prove your point without supposition or begging the point? We have yet to see.

An old Welsh manuscript refers to Joseph was "decurion". That is a minister of mines.

No doubt there were others, but in this case study the history of the kings of Britain and you'll see efforts to raise their stature over those of their neighbors (and vice versa) and a myth suggesting AD37 establishment of the church in England would enhance their status. It was also a period of relics and pilgrimages - and that claim would bring the pilgrims in (and their money) as well as status. The reasons are numerous - you'd do well to study them more.

So not an honest man to be found in Britain at the time. Why is it the British lie so much more than anyone else?

Sad to uphold fiction as fact. Christianity spread very rapidly across ALL of Europe, and nothing indicates or supports an explosive growth in England. Christianity took advantage of the Pax Romania to grow throughout Europe - including the British isles, growth there did not exceed growth throughout the rest of the empire.Again, supposition lacking facts but relying on faery tales. Prove it with sources outside myth. The first physical evidence of Christianity in England is from the late 2nd century AD. It wasn't until Emperor Constantine granted freedom of worship to Christians and during the 4th century Christianity became widespread in England. If you bother to look at broader church history, you will see that this was the case throughout the Roman empire - not just England alone.

Several papal councils starting with Pisa concluded that Britain was the first to accept Christianity.

So what's your story? Why are you so passionate about disproving Jesus ministered before the age of thirty or that Joseph of Arimathea was uncle to Jesus?

169 posted on 12/29/2009 12:51:10 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Hebrew names of place around where there would have been mines. Ancient carvings and paintings.

Citations and pictures por favor

You're saying India was a Christian nation then?

There was a time in the early church Christianity got a foot hold. It held in England and the rest of Europe because of the Roman empire - that was not the case in India. But the report I cited to you states similar points as your (still to be located) quote by Tertullian. Not to hard to see the comparison if one bothers to read.

An old Welsh manuscript refers to Joseph was "decurion". That is a minister of mines.

You probably have your sources all mixed up again. Cite the manuscript - links do work here. But if is referring to the latin - it only describes a military officer in the Roman infantry or cavalry OR member of a Roman city or town council. A member of the Sanhedren would not be either.

So not an honest man to be found in Britain at the time. Why is it the British lie so much more than anyone else?

Oh, cry me a river time. The problem is - show me a MS from the period that says so - not what is widely acknowledged as a myth/fiction nearly 1000 years later.

Several papal councils starting with Pisa concluded that Britain was the first to accept Christianity.

Then I'm sure you can cite the specific councils. But wow, 1409 council of Pisa - really increases my confidence, how many years after the resurrection was that?.

So what's your story? Why are you so passionate about disproving Jesus ministered before the age of thirty or that Joseph of Arimathea was uncle to Jesus?

First it falsifies the Person, Nature and Work of Jesus. Jesus didn't study under Druids (who would be the 'teachers' in England at that time). Right, God the Son learning from Druids. Secondly, it is false history, based upon myth and legend, used to fortify heretical teachings of anglo-israel groups, including WWCOG and splnter groups. Finally, the scriptures make it clear that Jesus began his ministry at the age of 30 - not before.

What Joseph was and inferred to again is based upon unsubstantiated myth and legend originating in the middle ages - a thousand years or so after the resurrection. So if ya want to believe the world is flat, go right ahead FRiend. However since you have so far been incapable of providing concrete evidence that JoA went to England, or any other portions of the immediate story - it remains that - an unsubstantiated myth.

171 posted on 12/29/2009 2:11:10 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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