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Muslims attending BYU focus on similarities between Islam, LDS tenets
Deseret News ^ | Dec. 20, 2009 | Sara Israelsen-Hartley

Posted on 12/21/2009 10:23:12 AM PST by Colofornian

PROVO — He's been to LDS general conference and sacrament meeting, given a family home evening lesson and shared his beliefs during fast and testimony meeting.

But the one thing that still puzzles Talha Siddiqui, 19, a Muslim from Islamabad, Pakistan, is why Latter-day Saint students at Brigham Young University are so anxious to get married.

"It's kind of funny how to an outsider … everyone is talking about getting married," he said. "How can you all think about the same thing? That kind of felt a little weird for me. Other than that, things have been great."

SNIP

"Whenever I'm talking about the religions, I try to bring up similarities," Siddiqui said. "I think that's a good way of talking about religion."

And both men are happy to share their beliefs.

This semester, Siddiqui taught his friends and roommates about Islam during family home evening.

Last November, Ahmad won the BYU Religious Education Student Symposium with a paper he'd written during his Book of Mormon class comparing Mormonism and Islam.

"We emphasize the same teachings, the same set of beliefs, even though the way of participating (is different)," Ahmad said. "We're essentially asking for the same thing, asking God for guidance and for repentance. As long as we keep respecting those (common values) … it builds mutual trust and is helpful in the long run."

Andrew Moulton, 19, Siddiqui's friend and roommate from Oregon, said this semester has been enlightening for him.

"I didn't know that our cultures were so similar," Moulton said. "As Americans we are taught to believe that Islam is a violent culture and stuff like that, but it's not. I think that was my initial surprise, (to learn) what wonderful people Muslims are."

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To: jimt
So again, direct quotes, even the simplest ones, of Mormon literature, dogma and leadership is “misquoting and out of context” and the posting of such quotes constitutes “bashing’

That just fascinates me.

It demonstrates such a lack of courage in ones convictions if the “material” one bases their religion on is so fragile that in the hands of any but the best practitioner of the “faith” it can be damaged so readily...

41 posted on 12/21/2009 2:12:33 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: jimt
You assume much.

However I shall play.

Better path?

This in not a game of percentages. It is not like I am 95.3% correct and your are 79.8% correct so I win.

This test requires a passing grade of 100% and flunking has a certain connotation I would wish anyone to avoid.

This being true, I, as well as others would be remiss in not pointing out error, especially to people who pin their hopes of works of fiction and fantasy...

With those kind of stakes I would want the tangible portions of the story of my faith to be...

Well..

Tangible...

42 posted on 12/21/2009 2:19:51 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: jimt

Folks, if your path to Heaven is so much better than everybody else’s, why not post positively about it instead of peeing on someone else’s ?
______________________________________________________

Sure nough will...

My “path to Heaven” is through the Jesus of the Bible...

Jesus is God...

and He is the ONLY WAY to Heaven...

Jesus said to jimt, “ Iam the WAY, the TRUTH, anfd the LIFE. No man or woman comes to the Father, except by ME”

Anything else or extra is not Christianity...

Mormonism is not Christianity..


43 posted on 12/21/2009 2:23:28 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Thats why the Freemasons in the crowd outside the Carthage Jail shot and killed Joey Smith...

That and bacasue he shot at them first during his jail break and they were defending themselves by putting down a mangy dangerous dog...


44 posted on 12/21/2009 2:26:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t know about that, but his being an oath-breaker is certainly why they didn’t feel inclined to go to his aid.


45 posted on 12/21/2009 2:35:13 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“The whole “masonry is a religion” nonsense really got a stiff wind behind it thanks to the mormons.”


I know neither of us intend(ed) to turn this into a discussion on Freemasonry.

In 1980 a, shall we say, “highly degreed” Mason in California (an old friend of the family), came to me about the medical condition of my eldest daughter (then about 7 months old) during our visit to California where I was raised. His interest was to see if he could get my daughter cared for at a Shriners hospital. Good motive—appreciated—no problem there.

He asked us to come to an event at the Masonic Lodge in Oakland. We attended.

If what went on in the ceremonies at that lodge that evening was not religion, then religion does not exist in the world. Not only was it religion, but is was spooky religion.

Two men I knew personally were deeply involved in Freemasonry early adulthood, and both wrote books about Freemasonry after disassociating themselves from it were:

Evangelist Dr. John R. Rice (Founder Sword of the Lord Foundation, now deceased) and Pastor Dr. Luther Atkins (Louisville, KY, now deceased).

Their books are still in print, I believe.

Neither one had been pikers or novices in Freemasonry, and both attested to the religious nature of it.

Of course, they are both called liars by devoted Freemasons.


46 posted on 12/21/2009 2:37:03 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

his being an oath-breaker is certainly why they didn’t feel inclined to go to his aid.
___________________________________________________

Yes he was said to have given the Freemason distress call...

“Is there no help for the widow’s son...”


47 posted on 12/21/2009 2:38:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: John Leland 1789

Sorry, I don’t believe you.


48 posted on 12/21/2009 2:46:15 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Sorry, I don’t believe you.


Oh, I might cry.


49 posted on 12/21/2009 3:05:22 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: John Leland 1789

Liars generally cry when caught.


50 posted on 12/21/2009 3:08:47 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Colofornian
"It's kind of funny how to an outsider … everyone is talking about getting married,"

...said an average member of the homosexual pedophile religion.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

51 posted on 12/21/2009 3:28:22 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

You are not a Mason, or you are at bare recruitment level, or you have never seen Masonic ceremonies, or you are deceiving-—trying to get others to disbelieve the religious nature of Freemasonry.

When I pastored a church in Florida, an older preacher who had resigned from a church in aother town began attending our church. He attended for about three months, and also brought quite a few people, and actually filled up a row and a half consistently.

So one day I thought, we might be missing a blessing by not having that older preacher minister to us. I approached him, asked him to speak for us, and we set a date about two weeks off.

The very next service, he showed up wearing a Masonic ring he had never worn before and a Masonic pin on his lapel he had never worn before. This was noticed by a goodlt number of our congregation, and many of them approached me.

I asked him directly why he had never previously identified himself as a Mason, but 4 hours after being asked to speak, this identity comes out.

His answer? NO answer at all.

I gave him the book by John Rice, and asked him to read it. He said it aside and didn’t say a word. I bid him Good Day.

Not only would he not discuss the book-—not even one word, he instantly became an enemy of the church and of the ministry. I being only 26 at that time, and he a man around 60, he could have said, “Well young man, let me explain some things to you about Masonry, etc., etc., etc.,

But no, he refused even to discuss the subject. He never showed up again at the church. He had never actually requested membership in the church to up to that point, so there was no need to make it an issue to the church, and we didn’t. But it did lead two or three other men in the church to initiate a study of Freemasonry.


52 posted on 12/21/2009 3:33:58 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: John Leland 1789

I am a master mason, a Knight Templar, and have served as worshipful master many times.

I am also a fundamentalist Christian who knows that there is one God, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, whose Son is Jesus Christ, who was crucified, buried and rose again after three days. God’s spirit came forth to to all the prophets and speaks to us now, both through scripture and prayer.

You are a liar and a bearer of false witness.


53 posted on 12/21/2009 3:45:03 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“worshipful master”


There you go, right there.

Religion!


54 posted on 12/21/2009 3:47:38 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: John Leland 1789

It’s old English for “honorable.”

No wonder the old man didn’t bother talking with you; most masons can spot a fool.


55 posted on 12/21/2009 3:49:37 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Main Entry: wor·ship·ful Pronunciation: \ˈwər-shəp-fəl also ˈwȯr-\ Function: adjective Date: 14th century 1 a archaic : notable, distinguished b chiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction
56 posted on 12/21/2009 3:50:32 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Main Entry: wor·ship·ful Pronunciation: \ˈwər-shəp-fəl also ˈwȯr-\ Function: adjective Date: 14th century 1 a archaic : notable, distinguished b chiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction -------------------------------------- None of that changes the FACT that the root of the usage came from WORSHIP. England has tied it's royalty to religion for a thousand years or more. "Your Worship," for example came from the idea of THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS. Your English is defensive, your history is lacking. And Christ said that you have ONE Master, and that is Christ. You should not not accept such a title if you claim to believe the Bible.
57 posted on 12/21/2009 4:05:00 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: John Leland 1789

Here is your post, you must has Freepmailed me by mistake:

“You know good and well the religious nature of that mess . You are not a fundamentalist, neither are you a Bible-believer.”

That is incorrect. The Bible is the inherrant Word of God, and I believe every word.

“If you were devoted to the Bible on the Bible’s terms, you wouldn’t have ten minutes to spare for that garbage.”

It’s a fratermity shared by the likes of George Washington and too many founders of the USA to count.

“Everything I told you was true. God bearing witness in my conscience. You want to present evertything opposed to Masnry as a Lie, and anyone who speaks contrary to it as a liar.”

You may think it is true, but you are serving the father of lies.

“That Masonic lodge in Oakland was full of costumed men, going through a ritual.”

That would be the Shriners. They also drive around in funny cars dressed as clowns.

“Civil service people who worked along side me when I was in the Air Force, who were Masons, would admit to a religion-like atmosphere in their ceremonies when I asked them directly.”

Horse-hockey.

“The old man was a deceiver to wait until he was given a place in the pulpit to bear his Masonic identity.”

No, he reconized a fool.

“You wouldn’t be allowed membership in any church where I pastor”

That’s fine. I only attend churches with knowledgeable pastors that don’t spread lies.

“nor in any church where most fundamentalist Bible-believing men pastor.”

LOL. It is true that anti-masonic lies have been spread pretty far, but most fundamentalist Bible-believing men don’t fall for your nonsense.

That’s

The Bible is of such strict duty and full of work for a Christian. You need to resign that nonsense and just help the work of the ministry in a local Bible-believing church-—with the same zeal that you use to defend Freemasonry and publicly call people liars in defense of it.

WORSHIPFUL MASTER has its roots in RELIGION, Old English, or not Old English. Just because it is Old English does not change the fact that the root of the expression came from WORSHIP! A good Christian testimony would preclude you using such a title for yourself.”


58 posted on 12/21/2009 4:13:36 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“That is incorrect. The Bible is the inherrant Word of God, and I believe every word.”

And still you let people call you ‘Worshipful Master.’

“It’s a fratermity shared by the likes of George Washington and too many founders of the USA to count.”

Yes, they were in error on that issue.

“That would be the Shriners. “

And what are Shriners associate with? Freemasonry by any chance?


59 posted on 12/21/2009 4:21:49 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: Skenderbej; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; Tennessee Nana; ...
why don’t you teach them about Jesus instead of spending all of your time quoting Mormons?

Religion forum post of the YEAR! Don't quote mormons....teach about Jesus!!

60 posted on 12/21/2009 5:20:48 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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