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To: aruanan
Did you know that at the time of Jesus's birth people in Israel were actively looking for the birth of the Messiah based on OT prophecies about the time of his birth?

Did you know they're looking for him now? Did you know that the weekday `Amidah (recited three times a day) contains a prayer for the coming of Mashiach? Of course, it also contains prayers for the ingathering of all Jews into Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the restoration of the literal Davidic throne. They're all basically referring to the same thing. The chr*stian "spiritual messiah" is an erroneous concept alien to the Torah.

BTW, did you know that the Torah is the supreme Revelation and that the Prophets and Hagiographa have lesser, secondary authority? That the Torah sits in judgment on all prophets and all claims of revelation? Taht the messiah is merely the servant of the Torah whose job is to expedite the full observance of the Torah by gathering in the exiles and rebuilding the Temple?

No "prophet" can declare the Torah "fulfilled" and replace it with something else. If this were true the Torah would plainly state that it is temporary. it does not.

You chr*stians read your bibles all out of order. First you read the "new testament," then you read the Prophets, and finally you read that "low" and boring Torah. Try reading your bible chronologically. The Torah comes first. Nothing can contradict it.

88 posted on 12/16/2009 10:36:58 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

> You chr*stians read your bibles all out of order. First you read the “new testament,” then you read the Prophets, and finally you read that “low” and boring Torah.

Which, for a Christian, is a perfectly valid way to read it, because Christians believe that the Old Testament was fulfilled by Christ, and that what Christ wants his followers to do is defined intact in the New Testament.

An alternative way to read The Holy Bible is the way our family did when I was growing up: one set of sequential readings from the Old Testament, and two sets of sequential readings from the New Testament each day, for a full year.

Starting in Genesis and ending in Malachi for the OT, and starting in St Matthew and ending in The Revelation of St John The Divine in the New.

By time the year ended, the Old Testament had been read in its entirety once, and the New Testament twice.

That is a very difficult discipline, but generally worth it.

I don’t do that anymore, I just read a passage here, and a passage there, when it suits me to do so. This is lazy, and I should probably undertake the old reading regimen again someday.

> Try reading your bible chronologically. The Torah comes first. Nothing can contradict it.

Nothing can contradict the Pentateuch, that is true: it is God’s Word as revealed to Moses. Christ can, and has, fulfilled it. So if you do not also read the New Testament as well as the Old, you are still observing the old, and obsolete, rules.

(That is what Christians believe, anyway.)


92 posted on 12/16/2009 10:53:51 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Did you know they're looking for him now?

Of course. But they, unlike many first century Jews, overshot by a couple of millennia.
93 posted on 12/16/2009 11:12:01 AM PST by aruanan
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