On what basis would you assert that Mormons aren’t Christian? They certainly do believe in Christ.
I believe the determination as to who is a Christian and who isn’t is best left to Christ. If Mormons say they are Christians then who am I to argue? They will be judged by Christ by His standards, the standards he applies to His followers — that is the practical implication of their claim, whether they realize it or not. It is a tough standard, and it may well be they live to regret claiming Christian provenance.
As a Freemason I have my own squabbles with Mormonism, but that doesn’t entitle me to say they aren’t Christians.
As a Freemason I have my own squabbles with Mormonism, but that doesn’t entitle me to say they aren’t Christians.
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You’ve lived in a country that doesnt have the freedoms of the US Constitution too long...
I am free to say the mormons are not Christians...
On what basis would you assert that Mormons aren’t Christian? They certainly do believe in Christ.
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They do not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Christian Bble...
The mormon jesus is like a New Age jesus...
merely a “spirit guide” at best...
But not the savior of mankind...
and Jesus is not God to them...
The mormons are their own saviors...
and they are future gods...
“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.
No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
On what basis would you assert that Mormons aren’t Christian? _____________________________________________________
They said so themselves...
Joey Smith on Christianity...
I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (Joseph Smith Pearl of great Price (JS History 1:20):
Some other mormon denouncements on Christianity...
1. “I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong…their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” (Joseph Smith—History 1:19).
2. “Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).
3. “Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast” (Journal of Discourses, John Taylor [3rd Mormon President], 13:225).
4. “The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” (Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, Orson Pratt, n. 6, 84).
5. “All the priests who adhere to the sectarian [Christian] religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith, ed. Vol. 1, n. 4, 60).
6. [Under the heading, “Church of the Devil,” Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] “The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129).
7. “Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Morm. 8; Moro. 8)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, Bruce R. McConkie, 177).
If Mormons say they are Christians then who am I to argue?
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Oh I dunno...
You had no trouble calling me a liar when I said I was brought up in a Christian home...
In THAT case, if Christians say that mormons are NOT Christian, who are you to argue?
Christ WILL judge, but in the meantime, it's up to Christians to rebuke the lie that is being spread far and wide by mormons who spent over a century disrespecting and castigating Christianity and claiming to have the "one, true and "restored" church and priesthood.
The FReepers who are quick to jump on the "mormons can be called Christian if they want to be" are silent when the mormon church disavows the splinter groups like the FLDS whose doctrine remains much closer to Joseph Smith's "one true restored church" and refuses to allow them under the "mormon umbrella."
NZ is heavily mormon and has been for decades. Perhaps that influences some opinions.
Nana: I was brought up in a Christian home in New Zealand...
DHH, #56: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The mere fact that you say so doesn’t make it true.
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Kid seems that there just may be times you do feel entitled, etc...
There are key doctrinal criteria that define if a denomination or religion is Christian or not and that judgement is commanded by the Apostles in the NT.
1. Who is Christ? Their own late prophet Hinkley stated they do not worship the same Jesus as Christianity (first clue). Mormon Jesus is not God the Son, Second Person of the Trinity, but is ontologically the same as you and I and the devil. A created being, never eternally God.
2. Who is God? Mormonism believes that the universe is populated by an uncountable number of Gods, each tending to their own planet and making spirit children with their multiple wives. Christianity is monotheistic trinitarinism - One God, three Persons who share the same - for a lack of a better word - essence that is God.
3. Mormon teachings are that they are the only 'true' Christian. Until recently Christian denominations and believers were openly hostile. This changed as the general public has become more aware of these open attacks and mormon prosyltizing and pr has changed to soften their exterior presentation. Until 1990, in their temple ceremony a protestant minister was depicted in the pay of the devil.
These are just three quick comparisons. One could just about go line by line on nearly all of their doctrines and find that they are diametrically opposed to Christianity.
They will be judged by Christ by His standards, the standards he applies to His followers —
And they have, by the standards found in the Bible. Remember Jesus also said to those who said they were His followers - depart from me, I never knew you.