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New papal decree clarifies role of deacons and result of defections on marriage
cna ^ | December 15, 2009

Posted on 12/15/2009 3:47:50 PM PST by NYer

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To: markomalley

I missed the last canon, but yeah, you are correct I think.


21 posted on 12/15/2009 5:56:05 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: RnMomof7
does the church need the money it makes doing annulments or something??

LOL. Well, it doesn't need the money, but it's always nice to pad the coffers.

Funny how the papacy presumes it controls people's lives even after they've fled the interview, by the grace of God.

22 posted on 12/15/2009 6:31:06 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NYer; LadyDoc
**The first issue addressed by the Motu Propio is the role of the diaconate. **

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Deacons and the Diaconate[Catholic-Orthodox Caucus]

23 posted on 12/15/2009 6:36:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes, and another one would be Glenn Beck — baptized as a Catholic, but now practicing the Mormon mindset.


24 posted on 12/15/2009 6:38:19 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

I don’t really know what to say to that except it’s pathetic.

I suppose it’s a way to pull the naive back into their cult.


25 posted on 12/15/2009 6:45:33 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Well, it doesn't need the money, but it's always nice to pad the coffers.

I'm not sure how you think something that makes it easier to get an annulment would make the church more money, but I guess in the upside-down world of "Rome is always wrong," it must make sense.

Somehow.

26 posted on 12/15/2009 6:59:52 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Campion

You get the idea that a lot of people have no clue just what an annulment involves. The money is the least of it.


27 posted on 12/15/2009 7:02:41 PM PST by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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To: Desdemona

(Actually, you could have just stopped after “clue”. ;-))


28 posted on 12/15/2009 7:08:22 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Desdemona

I know from 1st hand experience annulments are not to be taken lightly. Still, I am VERY thankful to Gof for the decree of nullity I received.


29 posted on 12/15/2009 7:09:54 PM PST by TheStickman
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To: the_conscience
I suppose it’s a way to pull the naive back into their cult.

Actually, I think it's a way to keep marriage tribunals from having to reconstruct whether Joe was really a Lutheran when he married Sarah, or whether he was still a Catholic.

But, whatever floats yer boat.

30 posted on 12/15/2009 7:10:13 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Cacique
Another instance of the Catholic Church disparaging and overruling the individual conscience. You can't say you're not a Catholic if you ever were one. Well, you can say it, but it's not true, according to them.

Anyway, I think all that labeling stuff is passe and inane. It serves a very limited function.

Funny definition I heard tonight: Charismatic Catholicism = Pentecostalism with sacraments.

31 posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:55 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RnMomof7
They say that former catholics are subject to canon law because they were baptized as an infant without their consent ??

Most Catholics received several more Sacraments along the way, after their Baptisms, and the others were as older children or young adults, when they knew what was going on. The Church has always taught that civil marriages are invalid, because they are not Sacramental. I don't see anything new in this statement.

And, as I'm sure you probably well know, the Church doesn't do annulments for the money. Any fee charged for an annulment is for the administrative costs of the process.

32 posted on 12/15/2009 10:02:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

“The church doesn’t do annulments for the money”

This is true. But it provides a good item for more skewering of the Church by those who hold Catholicism in contempt (which gets tiresome and repetitve on these threads and is counter-productive to changing the minds of practicing Catholics).


33 posted on 12/15/2009 10:25:25 PM PST by Running On Empty ( The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty
(which gets tiresome and repetitve on these threads and is counter-productive to changing the minds of practicing Catholics)

And we should be thankful, therefore, for that little cross.

No, I'm not there yet either.

34 posted on 12/16/2009 1:40:22 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: SuziQ
And, as I'm sure you probably well know, the Church doesn't do annulments for the money. Any fee charged for an annulment is for the administrative costs of the process.

Why do they do them? By what authority??

As for cost..of course they make money..the people often have too hire "lawyers "( through the church of course) to make their argument or to fight the proceedings

35 posted on 12/16/2009 3:58:47 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

“the people often have too (sic) hire “lawyers”

Hmmm, this is true....simply because you say so?

“Few Americans hate the Catholic Church, but millions hate what they THINK is the Catholic Church”. —Bishop Fulton Sheen


36 posted on 12/16/2009 5:23:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: markomalley

Not to worry, Mark. I’m not afraid of crosses, big or small, for “I can do all things in Him who strengthens me”.

God bless.


37 posted on 12/16/2009 5:33:07 AM PST by Running On Empty ( The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
StAthanasiustheGreat said: But not to God. God really wants to hold onto His own and thus the Church wants to maintain that openness. I know you don’t believe that, but that is what the Church believes and why it wants to keep the channels of grace open for us.

And this is the problem, the Roman Catholic Church teaching that it is the provider and distributor of the Grace of God.

38 posted on 12/16/2009 6:44:34 AM PST by fatboy
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To: fatboy

It is merely the avenue. It is built upon Jesus Christ’s commission to the Apostle Peter.


39 posted on 12/16/2009 6:54:09 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The marriages are irregular. They can be regularized validated retroactively if the parties wish by returning to the Church and retracing their steps to have a valid marriage cermeony to make up for what was lacking in the form and minister of the first ceremony. Otherwise, the marriage remains invalid.


40 posted on 12/16/2009 8:50:09 AM PST by Heliand
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