Go get real information from legitimate 3rd party apologetics (no ham & eggers who abound on the internet with 2nd & 3rd source which amounts to no more than hearsay or “he said she said”) with verifiable references plus any legal complaints against this ministry which can be obtained by public record in the State of Oklahoma and those who monitor religious broadcasters accountability. The days of sloppy irresponsible apologetics and heresy hunting are over.