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On Being an 'Ultra-Catholic'
Inside Catholic ^ | December 7, 2009 | Rev. James V. Schall, SJ

Posted on 12/07/2009 7:25:56 AM PST by NYer

A friend wrote me about a school principal, a religious sister, speaking to a parent and requesting school funds. The gentleman was described as an "ultra-Catholic." My friend asked me: "What is that, do you know?" Evidently, the "non-ultra" principal thought it all right to siphon needed cash from the "ultra" parent. No strings were attached. Once the funds were donated, the non-ultra establishment would go its non-ultra way. The ultra was good for his cash, if he still had any. His ideas were, well, ultra.

Clearly, I cannot resist taking a stab at defining what a modern ultra-Catholic is. Some temptations are difficult to resist. Briefly, in today's multi-descriptor world, an ultra-Catholic is one who is a believing Catholic, a fairly rare bird. The country is full of ex-, disagreeing, non-practicing, right-to-choose, leave-me-alone Catholics. They tell us that they are better than their hapless co-religionists who naively think Catholicism is credibly the most intelligent thing on the public or private scene. In the public area, the most often cited "authority" on what Catholics believe is the dissenter. Catholics are the one group about which no one has to speak accurately.

A be-knighted ultra-Catholic holds the Nicene Creed as true. He thinks divine authority exists in the Church. He knows that he, a sinner, needs forgiveness. But he does not make his sins into some social-justice crusade. He does odd things like go to Mass on Sundays, even in Latin. He thinks it is fine to have children. He prefers to work for a living. He also knows that the Church is under siege in the culture. He belongs to the real minority.

The word "ultra" is Latin, meaning "beyond." We have things like ultra viruses, ultrasounds, and ultraviolet rays. In the Middle Ages, a pope was called "ultramontane" if he came not from Italy but from over the mountains. In France in the modern era, the ultramontanists were those Catholics who kept alliance with Rome. Jesuits, perish the thought, were said to belong to this alien group in the Gallican regime. Ultramontanists did not think the French government was divine. This latter view was considered to be rather extreme. I know this negative view of French glory is difficult for the average contemporary to grasp. We find divine authority neither in Rome nor in Paris but only in ourselves.

An ultra-Catholic today, however, is one who strives to do what Aquinas did: He distinguished between those who willingly practice virtue, because they understand that it is the noble thing to do, and those who practice it just to observe the minimum of the law.

In what is hopefully a pioneer endeavor, we even have a bishop explaining to a Kennedy what it means to be a Catholic. Bishop Thomas Tobin in Providence read what Congressman Kennedy said in the Congressional Record about his being a Catholic but still not "agreeing" with everything the Church held -- a highly unoriginal position, to be sure. The bishop wondered just what it was that the congressman did not hold, and whether these "un-held" things were central positions in the Church -- which, of course, they were. From the beginning, when this selective view of Catholicism first appeared, local bishops did not similarly inquire of politicians who invoked this fuzzy doctrine of themselves deciding what is Catholic, as if the politician were actually himself the pope.

Now about this ultra-Catholic character: We have all laughed at people said to be "holier than the Church." This latter remark is not a compliment. Unlike the congressman from Rhode Island, some Catholics add things instead of subtracting them, as is the current fashion. Usually, the additions are not really wrong or bad. Most devotions, like the scapulars, are additions in this sense. Aquinas said that adding to the law was not the problem; taking things away from it was.

In the contemporary world, the real enemy of the liberal culture is the "fanatic." He holds something. We have now reached the point where the fanatic is pretty much identified with the ultra-Catholic. What is dangerous is not some heretical notion of Christianity; it is Christianity itself, especially in its Catholic form. When many Catholics themselves do not know what they are and hold, we distinguish the Christian who defines his own beliefs from the one who holds the self-evident and revealed truths of the Faith.

When the non-ultra-Catholics identify themselves with a disordered culture, the ultra-Catholic is left standing by himself. The popes address their documents to "men of good will." We read in the Gospel of John: "I have given them thy word; and the world has hated them." Evidently, not all men have good will.


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Rev. James V. Schall, S.J., teaches political science at Georgetown University. His latest book, The Mind That Is Catholic, is published by Catholic University of America Press.

1 posted on 12/07/2009 7:25:57 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Perhaps I should rename the ping list to “Ultra” Catholic ;-) because you all fit this description.


2 posted on 12/07/2009 7:27:11 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Sniff....what about me???


3 posted on 12/07/2009 7:30:07 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: NYer

I guess the definition of an ultra-Catholic is anyone who takes his faith seriously...


4 posted on 12/07/2009 7:32:23 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: NYer

“What is dangerous is not some heretical notion of Christianity; it is Christianity itself, especially in its Catholic form.”

CS Lewis likened this idea to his times, too.

Odd really, ultra-Catholic of the 21rst C is simply an observant Catholic from my mother’s time. Not so very long ago and yet a civilization and society removed from sanity and morality and faith.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 7:32:52 AM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: NYer

I have to tell you. All your hard work and sending us pings paid off for me yesterday. I had to explain original sin to my niece who is uneducated in the faith and not a very good Catholic.

Thanks! I think I got her to understand.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 7:40:46 AM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: OpusatFR

You’re new here, right?

The rules are, “Don’t make it personal...”

If you would like to visit with a Mod, we can ask for that.


9 posted on 12/07/2009 7:44:13 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer

May God give us some Ultra Catholic Candidates for Political Office in 2010 and 2012 and beyond. AMEN.


10 posted on 12/07/2009 7:48:52 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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To: Dutchboy88

“Dutchboy88 wrote:
You’re new here, right?”

No at all.

“Once again, we see the underbelly of Rome.”

So, I’ll be blunt this time: Rome is a city. It has a seamy underworld that I’ve certainly known about.

What the city of Rome has to do with this thread regarding Catholics, well, I have no idea.


11 posted on 12/07/2009 7:50:40 AM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Dutchboy88

Don’t make it personal - because that’s against the rules, right?

But feel free to make foolish comments against an entire faith because that’s what anti-Catholics do - but gee, it’s not “making it personal”.

Ah, what an interesting thing the conscience of an anti-Catholic must be: not hindered by doubt in its aggression, not slowed by thought or reason in its lambasts, and as undeveloped as Protestant assumptions themselves. The perfect kind of conscience to be slaved to bigotry.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 7:54:06 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: NYer
Sadly, there are those within the Catholic faith who use parishioner's sincere and devout faith as a way to raise money under false pretenses. Catholic Charities is neither Catholic or a charity. It is just part of the social services system. Money has been donated to ACORN and other leftist, anti-Catholic groups. Be very wary of those who prey on your generosity and sincere faith to take your money.
13 posted on 12/07/2009 7:55:11 AM PST by detective
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To: Dutchboy88

Schall forgot, “...he’s a democrat...”

Quotes? Where’s the link or are you quoting yourself?


14 posted on 12/07/2009 7:57:55 AM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: OpusatFR

“ultra-Catholic of the 21rst C is simply an observant Catholic from my mother’s time”

When I was growing up they were people to be looked up to and referred to as devout Catholics.


15 posted on 12/07/2009 7:59:12 AM PST by detective
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To: detective
“ultra-Catholic of the 21rst C is simply an observant Catholic from my mother’s time” When I was growing up they were people to be looked up to and referred to as devout Catholics.

People have to invent new phrases to make themselves sound important...

16 posted on 12/07/2009 8:08:46 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dutchboy88; Religion Moderator; NYer

So, you oppose being attacked but have no problem violating the RF rules by posting profanity (I believe the RM has stated many times that as far as the RF goes symbols are the same as words)?

Also, do you have a source for this quote are did you make it up yourself?

Has it escaped your notice that Protestants OPENLY EMBRACE abortion and homosexuality?


17 posted on 12/07/2009 8:09:21 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Iscool

Ultra-Catholic is being used in a slightly sarcastic tone to denote people who actually follow the faith rather than those CINOs who pick and choose.

I often read the articles.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 8:15:05 AM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Dutchboy88
Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.

If you are quoting someone who used potty language, replace the phrase with a "[snip]."

19 posted on 12/07/2009 8:19:08 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: vladimir998; OpusatFR

I would prescribe one prayer to St. Michael...okay, maybe more than one.


20 posted on 12/07/2009 8:19:34 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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