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To: magisterium
But consider again the fact that Japan was trying to surrender.

No they were not. Even the Japanese will tell you that.

127 posted on 12/05/2009 10:01:10 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Stay in denial if you like. There are whole books on this subject that quote at length Allied commanders, from Eisenhower to Nimitz to Mac Arthur, to quite the opposite effect.

Regardless, how can anyone say that modern warfare methodology doesn't virtually constitute an inherent war crime? Even with the best of initial intentions, all modern combatants seem to be incapable of not escalating to very morally shaky tactics in pretty short order. Gone are the days when even defensive warfare could even potentially be directed solely at combatants. But this is due to tactical choices, not inherent issues concerning legitimate self-defense. Modern warfare, as practiced for at least 100 years, is virtually incapable of being conducted in a moral fashion. I believe that everyone willingly partaking of the blood-lust that leads to atrocities will have to answer for them. I certainly believe that everyone involved in the decision to use atomic weapons against civilian populations in an already-defeated Japan, having already met his Maker, was, shall we say, rendered "uncomfortably speechless" at that portion of his particular judgment. Maybe God was more merciful to them than they were to their victims, but I'm glad that I definitely won't be put in the same hot seat for those same actions! I have more than enough to answer for already!

This is the Religion Forum. I am interested in hearing a religiously-based defense of the deliberate killing of civilians in wartime, from a Christian perspective. One that would make Jesus proud to give full approbation to it. I strongly suspect that there will be no such defense forthcoming that does not engage in disingenuous mumbo-jumbo.

142 posted on 12/05/2009 10:23:56 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Regarding Japanese surrender feelers. The historical record is filled with documented evidence of Japanese attempts to negotiate a surrender. Recall that the Japanese government was not monolithic, but rather filled with various factions. Also recall the attempted military coup the night the emporer decided to surrender.

Unconditional surrender was from Roosevelt and caught everyone, including the allies by surprise when he announced it at the Quebec Conference. Whether it was the right policy or not is a rich matter for debate, but it was a first in modern war.

234 posted on 12/06/2009 10:01:16 AM PST by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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