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When the Sun Turned Black
Insight Scoop ^ | December 5, 2009 | Paul Glynn, S.M.

Posted on 12/05/2009 6:00:32 PM PST by NYer

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To: JoeMac
I will issue the usual challenge. I want every single person who is whining about the "poor helpless sweet lovable Japanese" to agree infect themselves with one of the deceases developed by Unit 731 and be treated only with the medical treatment available in 1945.

They were planning on releasing biological weapons that really could have wiped out most of the planet. They just needed a bit more time to perfect it.

Some here would have given them that time.

61 posted on 12/05/2009 8:48:30 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: ConorMacNessa
I presume you would have preferred that the war dragged on for an invasion of Japan.
Why do you presume that? And why do you equate the lives of combatants to the lives of innocent children?
62 posted on 12/05/2009 8:49:00 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: 10mm

Really? Under what moral code? Certainly NOT that of the Christ Risen.


63 posted on 12/05/2009 8:50:20 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: JoeMac

Why can’t you answer?


64 posted on 12/05/2009 8:50:50 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I want every single person who is whining about the "poor helpless sweet lovable Japanese" to agree infect themselves with one of the deceases developed by Unit 731 and be treated only with the medical treatment available in 1945.
Why? And how does that answer the basic question? When is it moral to kill an innocent child?
65 posted on 12/05/2009 8:53:10 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: JoeMac

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


66 posted on 12/05/2009 8:54:13 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“How many of those “innocent children” had practiced their gutting skills on the living bodies of US Service members?”

None. Zero. Else they would not be innocent. And how does that answer the basic question? When is it moral to kill an innocent child?


67 posted on 12/05/2009 8:54:23 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: narses

I am not citing any Moral Code. It is my preference that my enemies die, not my allies or those who are fighting on my behalf. And not all members of this Board are Christians.


68 posted on 12/05/2009 8:55:17 PM PST by 10mm
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To: narses
I presume that because you are arguing with me about the morality of dropping the bomb. I equate the lives of combatants to those of innocent children because, in God's eyes, all lives are equally valuable. We are all, after all, his creatures. I regret the loss of any life and abhor war in all its forms. The gist of my position is that the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki shortened the war and saved a myriad of lives on both sides. For this reason, I think it was moral. If I had been President then, I would have given the order.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
70 posted on 12/05/2009 8:56:35 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

So when America chose to kill innocent civilians, including children, they may not have been “innocent”, right?


71 posted on 12/05/2009 8:56:41 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: skeptoid

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


72 posted on 12/05/2009 8:56:56 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: NYer

Wasn’t the weird thing supposed to be that Nagasaki was an alternate second site bombed after they weren’t able to locate the primary target and also happened to be a major center of Christianity in Japan?


73 posted on 12/05/2009 8:57:23 PM PST by aruanan
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To: ConorMacNessa
... because, in God's eyes, all lives are equally valuable.
Not so. To kill a man in self defense is different than killing a random innocent child, both to you and to God, no?
74 posted on 12/05/2009 8:58:15 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: narses
Because that is what they apparently want.

That was what was coming. That was what was stopped.

Imagine what would have happened to war torn Europe with another outbreak of the Black Death. Since they seem to think that it would make them morally superior to have suffered such a fate rather then to have used the A-bomb I just would like them to put their money where their mouth is.

So let's go. Put up or shut up. Don't forget to infect your children as well.

As to the other I have already answered.

75 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:15 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: 10mm
I am not citing any Moral Code.
OK.
It is my preference that my enemies die, not my allies or those who are fighting on my behalf.
Innocent children are your enemies?
And not all members of this Board are Christians.
No kidding?
76 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:57 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: narses
Actually a lot of them had. So sorry.
77 posted on 12/05/2009 9:00:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: narses
Under your analysis, no bomber pilot or crew member is moral.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
78 posted on 12/05/2009 9:00:29 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: B-Chan

All war is a crime. Name me one war America started.


79 posted on 12/05/2009 9:00:29 PM PST by JoeMac (''Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more''. Popeye The Sailorman)
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To: narses
The fact of the matter is that the human race came very close to self-annihilation during WWII.

By 1945 mass genocide was being practiced by all major combatants: US, Great Britain, USSR, Germany, Japan.

Thank God the US was the first to create and use the atomic bomb. Other than Great Britain, any other combatants having done so would have resulted in unimaginable slaughter on a much greater scale.

Each country was attempting to create atomic weapons. We got there first.

We used it to 1) bring the Japanese militarists to their knees, 2) intimidate the Russians, 3) show the world exactly what atomic weapons could do and 4) to show the US taxpayers a $2 Billion return on investment.

Cry all you like for the citizens of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I instead honor and respect them as casualties that saved the human race, and am ever thankful of their sacrifice.

My father, a paratrooper and wounded Operation Varsity vet, was on the troop carrier SS James Jackson in the Panama Canal as part of an anti-tank combat team on the way to the assembling Operation Olympic invasion task force.

Kyushu was heavily fortified, and if Okinawa wa any indication of Japanese resistance, General Marshall had inquired of General Groves how many weapons he could provide the invasion force for use as tactical weapons.

I have read every civilian account of the effects of the Little Boy and Fat Man, and it is unimaginably horrific and can only be described as hell on earth. There is NO justification for such acts.

But yet I would not be here if they were not perpetrated.

So again I owe my existence to the citizans of Hiroshima on August 6. 1945, and the citizens of Nagasaki on August 9, 1945.

And how many other members of subsequent generations after those dates can say the same? My children, and the children of my brothers.

80 posted on 12/05/2009 9:00:41 PM PST by Basilides
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