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To: markomalley

Jeez - I just don’t really understand the need to change the mass - so many young people don’t come to church frequently if ever and if they do and it is all different I think it will be a turn off. Shouldn’t the church try to keep people interested instead of turn them off - I don’t know any latin and don’t feel I need to to enjoy and benefit from going to Sunday mass. Can someone enlighten me?


2 posted on 12/03/2009 11:32:40 AM PST by MissH
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To: MissH
Jeez - I just don’t really understand the need to change the mass - so many young people don’t come to church frequently if ever and if they do and it is all different I think it will be a turn off. Shouldn’t the church try to keep people interested instead of turn them off - I don’t know any latin and don’t feel I need to to enjoy and benefit from going to Sunday mass. Can someone enlighten me?

There are a number of areas in the current Ordo that were translated incorrectly from the authoritative Latin. Some quick highlights, just off the top of my mind:

You know the standard greeting exchange: "The Lord be with you" "and also with you" -- in the Latin (as well as every other language), the response is actually "and with your spirit"

Right now, the penitential rite says: "I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do; and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord, our God."

In the Latin, it should be rendered: "I confess to almighty God and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done and in what I have failed to do, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault; therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin, all the Angels and Saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God."

In the Gloria, the current translation has "Glory to God in the highest, and peace to his people on earth."

It should say, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will."

Right now, the Credo is translated: "We believe." It should be "I believe."

There are a large number of other errors that were inserted when the Novus Ordo was translated into English. This corrects the vast majority of them.

You said, so many young people don’t come to church frequently if ever and if they do and it is all different I think it will be a turn off.

I would say in return that there will be some issues for a few months, you are right about that. But it is important to understand that the only catechesis that the vast majority of people have after they get done with CCD (and perhaps, if their parents don't stress for the kids to be confirmed, the only catechesis they have since first communion) is through the Liturgy of the Mass. In my opinion, it is far more important to make sure that the order of Mass is correct. There are subtle doctrinal issues that arise from a bad translation...and those creep into peoples' beliefs from that translation.

FWIW

3 posted on 12/03/2009 11:47:05 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: MissH
I think you will like the translations. They are much closer to original texts. Hang in there. Links to the full NEW rext are on a couple of these threads.

Order of the Mass (New Translation Catechesis Part I)(Catholic Caucus)
Open Ears, Open Heart (Preparing to Receive the Liturgy of the Word each Sunday)
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies
Explains The Supreme Importance Of The Liturgy
Altar Card for the Modern Roman Liturgy

Slating the Chairs (USCCB prepares for its November plenary session)
Mass appeal: "It's like Jolt Cola for the Soul" [Catholic Caucus]
WHERE THE PRIEST SHOULD BEGIN MASS Know Him in the Breaking of Bread - A Guide to the Mass
The (Catholic) Mass (as explained by a youth for Evangelical friends) [Ecumenical]

What the Catholic Mass means to converts
Good News for the [Catholic] Liturgy
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
The Sacrifice of the Mass: Liturgical Vestments

What Do You See at (Catholic) Mass?

Purification of Sacred Vessels in U.S. (and more on the Purification of our Lord)
Tyranny of Words (Catholic liturgy - NO vs. TLM)
Mass should be enlightening and elevating, not a cookie cutter ritual
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Mass (Sacred Liturgy) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
"The Catholic Mass ... Revealed"

The Battle Over the Mass [Catholic Caucus]
Scriptural Basis of the Mass as Sacrifice (Where is that in the Bible?)
Giving to God in Mass [Liturgy of the Eucharist]
Liturgy, Learning and the Language of the Catholic Faith
Cardinal Arinze's Mass Etiquette 101

Prostration and Vestments on Good Friday And More on the Precious Blood
Catholic Liturgy - Funeral Masses for a Suicide And More on Confession for RCIA Candidates
The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - A Primer for Clueless Catholics (Part 1)
The Orthodox Divine Liturgy, the Roman Catholic Mass and the Anglican Eucharist...
Catholic Liturgy - Dramatic Readings at Mass (And More on Processions, and Extra Hosts)

Catholic Liturgy - Mass Intentions
Catholic Liturgy - Pre-recorded Music at Mass And More on Communion Services
Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)
POPE ISSUES APOSTOLIC LETTER ON THE SACRED LITURGY
Liturgy: Are Glass Chalices OK for Mass?
EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

4 posted on 12/05/2009 9:53:19 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MissH

Oops that should have been:
Links to the full NEW text are on a couple of these threads.


5 posted on 12/05/2009 9:54:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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