That's a strawman argument you are spouting, IsCool. Read what I and others have written. None of us have asserted that the Shroud was the ONLY cloth associated with the burial of Jesus. In fact, I can specify at least three other pieces of cloth in addition to the Shroud used in the burial of the Man on the Shroud. The cloth bindings at the ankles and wrists, to keep the limbs from flopping, and the binding around the face to keep the mouth closed. These are written of and required parts of the funeral preparations in the Mishnah, the written book of rules for Judaism... as is a shroud. Why would these observant Jews ignore these requirements of Jewish tradition to suddenly take up Egyptian swaddling mummy bandaging which is nowhere mentioned in the Mishnah?
As to what's in the scriptures, Iscool. exactly where is the "salve"??? Please show it to me in the scriptures. Where does it say "wet and dry"? How about finding "cloths" in the Synoptic Gospels? Exactly... Oh. they are not there.
The Synoptics all mention a singular σινδονι (sindoni), a fine, large cloth, that was used to wrap Jesus. John doesn't... instead John uses the more generic and inclusive οθονιοις (othoniois), plural, for Grave Clothes... as in "garments," meaning items to cover the body, not just the plural of the word "cloth."
How much weight was it then???
The Greek texts report that Nicodemus brought λιτρας εκατον (litras ekatov), litra hundred... libra 100= or 100 Roman pounds = 100 lb. (Although, I suspect that being a Jew, if Nicodemus bought the spices that day, he probably bartered for them in hebrew measurements... he may have already had them on hand... we just don't know.)
But a Litra (the word that is also the root of our modern liter) or Roman Libra was equal to ~327 grams, or ~.72 English pounds. So, what's this!!?? The inerrant King James Bible has made a mistake in translation?!... translating the Greek common usage λιτρας εκατον, denoting 100 Roman pounds (c. 33 AD), as being the English common usage 100 English (c. 1611) pounds... at least that is what was understood by the English speaking peoples of the world who read it. Yes, they did. That's why modern translators are now translating that amount into English as the more accurate common usage (c. 21st Century AD) of "about 75 pounds." Similarly, they are translating the KJV errant "wound (wind)" to the more accurate "bound (bind)." If you can't handle errata and the need to correct it, too bad.
Plus,,,the idea is that Jesus body was cleaned before the buriel...
I am now understanding that you really don't know what you are talking about. I suggest you might want to do some reading from the peer reviewed scientific articles that have been written by leading forensic scientists about the Shroud of Turin. You can find many of them at Shroud.com's repository of scientific and scholarly papers. You can also find a wealth of information and facts that may challenge your certainty about facts that happen to be untrue at fellow Freeper Shroudie's Shroud Forum and his Historical Jesus Quest site. At least then you would be spouting such whoppers as "Dead bodies don't bleed...Plus,,,all the blood was drained out...Where do you get the blood for the shroud???" Frederick T. Zugibe, M.D., Ph.D., Adjunct Associate Professor of Pathology, Columbia University, College of Physicians & Surgeons, N.Y. Chief Medical Examiner, Rockland County, N.Y. (Retired), would disagree with your conclusion that "dead bodies don't bleed." There are lots of work on post mortem blood flows, the nature of the blood stains that flowed from the apparent wounds on the on the image on the Shroud... and even studies of the blood itself done by some of the world's foremost experts on blood, blood serums, its derivatives, and antecedents, such as papers by Dr. John Heller, Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. Bruce Cameron, all world renowned experts on blood and blood fractions... all of whom agree that it is blood... and it did indeed flow from a dead body. By the way, Dr. Zugibe would agree with you that Jesus' body was washed...
So explain that before you start correcting what others have learned over the past few hundred years...
My explanations of all of that are already on FreeRepublic for all to see... and have been here for years. Do a Google search for "Shroud of Turin +Swordmaker site:freerepublic.com" and you will find hundreds of annotated, linked to peer reviewed scientific articles, footnoted, and backup with up-to-date accurate data posts, that is based on hundreds of years of scholarship, historical, scientific, archaeological, and exegetical research of what has been learned about the Shroud of Turin. I follow the science and the research. You might want to review that before you dismiss what I have to say on this subject after the almost 40 years of study I have put into it.
WoW...You guys are mind boggling...You can specify 4 pieces of cloth used in the buriel of Jesus while the Shroud of Turin shows only one...I gotta hear this story...
The Greek texts report that Nicodemus brought λιτρας εκατον (litras ekatov), litra hundred... libra 100= or 100 Roman pounds = 100 lb. (Although, I suspect that being a Jew, if Nicodemus bought the spices that day, he probably bartered for them in hebrew measurements... he may have already had them on hand... we just don't know.)
Why are you worried about that...The Shroud of Turin experts claim there are traces of plant pollen only produced in Jerusalem on the shroud but yet there isn't a single trace of any of the burial spices and aloes on the shroud...
Can you explain that one too???
At least then you would be spouting such whoppers as "Dead bodies don't bleed...Plus,,,all the blood was drained out...Where do you get the blood for the shroud???" Frederick T. Zugibe, M.D., Ph.D., Adjunct Associate Professor of Pathology, Columbia University, College of Physicians & Surgeons, N.Y. Chief Medical Examiner, Rockland County, N.Y. (Retired), would disagree with your conclusion that "dead bodies don't bleed.
So what??? There are tons of pathologist who know and will say and have said that dead bodies don't bleed...AND, I butchered enough deer, pigs and cows and rabbits and squirrels to know that dead bodies do no bleed once the heart stops pumping...
such as papers by Dr. John Heller, Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. Bruce Cameron, all world renowned experts on blood and blood fractions... all of whom agree that it is blood...
And there are even more experts who say that while the samples have some of the characteristics of blood, they are missing many of the components that are required for blood...
By the way, Dr. Zugibe would agree with you that Jesus' body was washed...
Of course, that's part of the Jewish burial custom...While at the same time, the blood especially on the hand of the figure in the shroud would have been cleaned...
The experts who have examined the shroud that disagree with your theory claim some of the blood on the hand could only get there from a heart that is pumping...So either Jesus wasn't dead when He was buried or He wasn't washed prior to burial...And neither one of those is accurate...
I follow the science and the research. You might want to review that before you dismiss what I have to say on this subject after the almost 40 years of study I have put into it.
Then you have to know that it is still no more than a theory...Whether the shroud is authentic or not has no bearing on my Christianity...There are so many false doctrines and outright lies out there that people try to justify with their tradition and interpretation of the scripture, that I'm only interested in the truth...And the shroud of turin hasn't yet made the grade to be absolute truth...