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To: SkyDancer

From the site you linked: “The Bible never gives any physical description of Christ.” “One thing is clear: if it were important for us to know what He really did look like, Matthew, Peter and John, who spent three years with Him, would certainly be able to give us an accurate description, as would His own brothers, James and Jude. Yet, these New Testament writers offer no details about His physical attributes.”

I would agree with their conclusion (and I assume you do also, since you linked to it), it’s not important that we know what Jesus looked like.

As far as the shroud image, I’ll have to admit I fall on the skeptic side. Not because of the carbon dating stuff (which I agree might be inaccurace due to the shroud having been in a fire), but because of what the Bible says about Jesus’ burial cloth.

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the word translated to English as “wrapped” (And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth-NASB) literally means to roll or wind something around something else. In John, the word used is the same one used to describe someone being bound by chains (So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings-NASB), again wrapping something around something else. In John, when the apostles run to the tomb and look inside they describe the shourd also (and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings-NASB). The word translated as “linen wrappings” literally means “strips of linens.”

I don’t see how the Shroud of Turin matches what the Bible says. The Bible talks about linen strips being wound or rolled around the body (which was a common burial practice of the Jews at the time.) Not about a large piece of cloth.


29 posted on 11/20/2009 1:38:33 PM PST by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brookhaven

I suggest you check Customs and Courtesies of the Bible ... i.e. Jewish traditions ..... you might find it a bit different....


31 posted on 11/20/2009 2:06:51 PM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brookhaven

No. The body was laid on the cloth, the remainder folded back over the body. It wasn’t ‘wrapped’ for a simple reason. This was a very hurried ‘burial’ since Passover was rapidly approaching. They cleaned up the body a bit, put in flowers and other objects with the body. The whole idea was that they’d then come back in three days to properly finish the job. This is why the body wasn’t ‘wrapped’ as you describe.


70 posted on 11/21/2009 5:08:23 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Brookhaven
In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the word translated to English as “wrapped” (And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth-NASB) literally means to roll or wind something around something else. In John, the word used is the same one used to describe someone being bound by chains (So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings-NASB), again wrapping something around something else. In John, when the apostles run to the tomb and look inside they describe the shourd also (and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings-NASB). The word translated as “linen wrappings” literally means “strips of linens.”

The word of God means nothing to these people...Their fabrications and fairy tales are just as good, or better than anything found in the scripture...

Joh 20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Joh 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

How much more clear can it get??? The covering for his face and head was a separate piece of material...There was no shroud...

74 posted on 11/21/2009 3:53:24 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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