Vatican prepares for extraterrestrial disclosure

The Honolulu Examiner ^ | November 12, 2009 | Michael Salla, Ph.D.

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The Vatican has just completed a five day conference on astrobiology where scientists convened to discuss the detection and implications of extraterrestrial life. A major driving force behind the conference was the Director of the Vatican Observatory, the Jesuit priest Father Jose Gabriel Funes. In May 2008, Funes gave an interview to the Vatican’s L’Osservatore Romano newspaper saying that the existence of intelligent extraterrestrials posed no problems to Catholic theology. The conference itself was officially convened by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences, chaired by its religious leader Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, and was held on private Vatican grounds from November 6-10. Together with Funes’ 2008 interview and subsequent public comments by him, the conference demonstrates a welcome openness by the Vatican on the possibility and implications of extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s openness to discussion of extraterrestrial life is no accident. It is part of an openness policy secretly adopted by the United Nations in February 2008. In fact, the Vatican is playing a leading role in preparing the world for extraterrestrial disclosure.

For most observers, the conference was an innovative scientific gathering sanctioned by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences to show the Holy See’s support for modern science in the detection of extraterrestrial life. The conference primarily focused on the detection of primitive extraterrestrial life forms, and featured presentations from nearly 30 international experts in astronomy, physics and biology. Marc Kaufman from the Washington Post reports:

Scientists (many of them nonbelievers) are offering presentations on subjects as varied as how life might have begun on Earth; what newly found "extremophile" microbes living in harsh places on our planet might tell us about possible life on others; and how life forms might be detected in our solar system, or how their bio-signatures might be found on and around the many distant exoplanets.

Discussion of the implications of intelligent extraterrestrial life, both scientific and theological, did not appear prominently in the conference agenda. One of the presenters, however, Prof Paul Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: "If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations," Davies pointed out that the multiple incarnations theory, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe “is a heresy in Catholicism."

The Vatican, through Funes, is supporting the idea that the incarnation of Christ is a unique event in Earth’s history tied in to humanity’s ‘fall’ and ‘original sin’. This idea was a major focus in Father Funes’ May 2008 interview which was titled "The extraterrestrial is my brother." Funes said that intelligent extraterrestrial life may not have experienced a ‘fall’, and may be “free from Original Sin … [remaining] in full friendship with their creator.” This makes it possible to regard them as ‘our brothers’ as Funes explained:

Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom… "Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation…

Most importantly, Funes’ statement makes possible the idea that Christianity can be exported to extraterrestrial worlds that have not experienced a ‘fall’ and are free from original sin.

The Vatican’s new openness on extraterrestrial life is consistent with reports of secret discussions held at the United Nations that began in February 2008. The Vatican’s permanent representative to the UN, Archbishop Celestino Migliore, was reported to have attended along with a number of other prominent government officials to discuss increased UFO sightings and the implications of extraterrestrial visitation. Significantly, Migliore's position requires that he maintains close relations with the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences. At the time of the secret UN discussions, Migliore made a presentation on moral issues associated with scientific problems such as climate change. Most importantly, the UN discussions reportedly led to a new policy of openness being adopted by approximately 30 nations that would begin in 2009.

Another noteworthy participant reported to have attended the 2008 UN discussions was Britain’s Permanent representative at the time, Sir John Sawers. Sawers was later appointed to head Britain’s prestigious foreign intelligence service MI6. The appointment of a diplomat to head an intelligence service was highly unusual. According to a BBC report: “giving the job to someone more recently associated with diplomatic service was regarded as a break from the tradition.” Seen in the context of the February UN meetings, perhaps MI6 was acknowledging the need for greater diplomacy in dealing with problems posed by a new openness policy on UFOs, and eventual disclosure of extraterrestrial life.

The Vatican sponsored astrobiology conference was a landmark event. It showed that the Vatican was willing to officially sanction public discussions on the existence of extraterrestrial life. More significantly, it showed that the Vatican was willing to initiate a comprehensive dialogue on the theological implications of the discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s astrobiology conference is yet one more sign that major global institutions are preparing for some kind of formal disclosure concerning UFOs and/or extraterrestrial life. This is a direct outcome of a series of landmark meetings at the UN beginning in February 2008 that led to the adoption of a new openness policy.

After more than a year of openness, the Vatican is taking the openness policy to a new level, and preparing the public for some kind of formal extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. Numerous independent sources have predicted such disclosure is imminent, and that the Obama administration is expected to play a prominent role. The Vatican is also positioning itself to play a major role in such an announcement and in a post-disclosure world. Its emerging theological position that extraterrestrials “are our brothers” is a welcome departure from more hostile depictions of extraterrestrial life found in some religious denominations and in Hollywood movies. On the other hand, the idea that the Vatican could justify sending missionaries to convert extraterrestrials born without original sin, does raise major concerns. The Vatican, nevertheless, is currently playing a constructive role in preparing the public for the imminent disclosure of extraterrestrial life.

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[Event Notice: Dr Michael Salla will speak about the theological implications of extraterrestrial life at the upcoming Earth Transformation Conference on the Big Island of Hawaii (January 7-12, 2010).]

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Please ask a more specific question.

Basically . . . I held out for decades . . . the possibility that there were authentic ‘citizens’ of distant orbs who were either quasi-neutral [pretty illogical] or on God’s side.

However, I noticed over the years, that there was really NO evidence of such. All the 9 or 77 or 90 different ‘races’ of critters are clearly in cahoots with the globalists toward setting up the tyrannical END TIMES GLOBAL GOVERNMMENT that will result in the worship of satan.

There are various scenarios to result in that. One might involve some ‘races’ of critters/fallen angels playing the role of good-cop and others playing the role of bad-cop.

Or, the ‘leading’ or ‘ruling’ race(s) may just deliver an ultimatum . . . join the world government or be exterminated.

Certainly they have convinced the global leaders that in order for mankind to survive and even the planet to survive, mankind MUST be reduced . . . first it was to 500 million world wide, now it is purportedly to 200 million world wide.

This in spite of many whistleblowers asserting that ALL THE CRITTERS LIE, LIE, LIE ROUTINELY LIE. Yet the globalists believe them about a host of ‘historical’ and future ‘realities’—including that they bioengineered Jesus and all the religious leaders of history for ‘social engineering purposes’ and will display ‘holographic 3D videos’ to ‘prove’ such GREAT DECEPTIONS. Crazy.

Does that brief summary answer your query?

Sorry for all the noise on such threads. A number of folks have such hair trigger buttons hooked to their egos, or their rigid, brittle theological biases, or their psychodyanamic craziness that just the sight of my screen name is sufficient to send them into spasms of frothing at the fingers and running around in circles wailing.

Kind of goes with the territory, I’ve found.

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I will continue to exercise the right that all FREEPERS have to reply to you whenever it seems fitting.

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My half brother (whom I didn’t meet until I was 30) is a fan of David Icke and the theory of reptilians controlling the Earth since the inception of civilization.

http://davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/48/

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:)So I have no rights to ping list.

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That’s not what I said at all.

I’m happy to do all I can to refrain from pinging you. My memory is mostly good but not flawless in all situations.

However, you sometimes post things which I have something to say in response to. That is the freedom of all FREEPERS.

I think you are well aware that FR has no provision for an IGNORE list other than folks choosing to ignore specific pings of specific freepers.

Your wail to JimRob was 100% unwarranted, wholesale. My comment had nothing to do with pings. I was merely noting that when you say something in a thread that I feel a need to respond to because of the content of your post, I will.

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I’m slightly to moderately familiar with Icke’s stuff.

I keep a somewhat distant tab on it.

Thanks for the link.

It is distasteful enough to me that I avoid it as much as I can.

I guess I believe there are ‘reptilians’ . . . at least fallen angels playing that role . . . lots of sources have commented on their existence . . .

And, I believe that they are rather disagreeable critters.

Beyond that, I don’t know what to believe.

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Mad Dawg; Mark,

I don’t know that I’ve asked quite this specific question . . . though we’ve talked in the ball park.

Why is it . . . that such a sizable/signifcant percentage of the Vatican cohorts/RC’s hereon are such

disagreeable bustards/gritches . . .

either at the drop of a hat or seemingly in a constant state of such attitudes?

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Stop pinging me to your crap.Stop freepmailing me too.I pinged the Mods so you would stop pinging me to this crap as I asked you long ago to be removed and also freepmail. .Don’t know if they can stop freepmailing:)Thank you Admin Moderator
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I can’t think of a single other value orientation that comes close to so many of their co-horts so chronically and so outrageously so fiercely disagreeable. Not one.

Scientologists are sort of in the ball park. And no doubt Jihadi’s if they were allowed on here might well be.

And, there may be an occasional fierce and brittle JW and a Mormon or 3 somewhat often given to such. And a couple of Calvinists seem to like to compete with the RC’s in degree and relentlessness of prickliness and chronic hostility.

However, no one and no other value orientation comes close to the RC’s in number of prickly sorts nor in the degree of fierceness.

I can imagine that some might say . . . wellllll, harumph, the RC’s get all manner of slights, insults, derisiveness thrown at them.

Not really. Certainly NOT IN PROPORTION TO WHAT THEY DISH OUT.

And, to be frank, I don’t think even Dr E’s and my fierceness against RC/Vatican heresies and excesses really come close to the fierce hostilities we get back.

Personally, it comes across to me as extreme self-righteous in-group fostered arrogance.

Fascinating sociologically and psychodynamically . . . and spiritually.

It almost seems like all the RC Parochial must give required classes in rabid frothing at the mouth and fingers.

Or is it ‘merely’ a natural result of “we alone are supremely holy, righteous and good . . . and our grand not so little club in the only Godly club.” ???

Mystifying.

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The thing with Icke is that both the neo-nazi’s and the JDL/ADL thinks he’s using giant lizard people as a guise to slam Jews. One group loves it, the other hates it. But the guy just really wants to talk about the reality of giant lizard people. To my understanding he isn’t anti-Jewish at all, he’s just a cat who wants to warn folks about the threat of giant lizard people. The more he denies that he is really talking about Jews the more both groups think he’s just being clever, and applaud him or protest him even more.

Freegards

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Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.

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Interesting.

Thanks.

I hadn’t immersed myself that much into his stuff.

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I got the weirdo Icke ADL/JDL vs neo-nazis thing from a show on TV. Both groups think he is really anti-Jewish and don’t believe him when he denies being anti-Jewish, much to his chagrin, because it takes the focus off of the real threat as he sees it: giant lizard people. It’s kinda tragic in a bizzaro way.

Freegards

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I give up.

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INDEED.

There are so many ways to distract, misdirect etc.

Sometimes I think those who are so fiercely hostile to anything appearing above my screen name must be paid disinfo agents.

However, that’s probably not true. Paid disinfo agents would not have suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch INTENSE inner angst; such fiercely hostile psychodynamic anger. That ilk of thing can only come from serious ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhoods, imho.

But the Nazi etc. allegations . . . that sounds like some of it COULD be disinfo stuff. God only knows.

Interesting era we live in . . . in the Chinese sense of the word.

Thanks for your kind post.

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No problem, I was just telling an interesting aspect of Icke and his beliefs and what others think of them. I don’t believe there are giant lizard people.

Freegards