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To: betty boop
But I'm not sure I agree that when God is "disinvited" from a society that this somehow renders the evil one a non-entity.

You're exactly right of course and as I suspected, my inability to put my thoughts into words might create a misperception. MY fault. In fact it may be that I'm only pointing to something so obvious that it doesn't or won't come as any sort of revelation to others. With that said, I'd like to take another crack at it since it is such a glaring reality to me.

If satan and his minions are successful in their goal to boot God from the cultural consciousness, a commensurate goal and intended consequence is to also boot satan from the cultural consiousness. The seed, planted, nurtured and cultivated in the culture by he and his minions is, no God, no satan. No good, no evil. No absolutes. Satan, having been removed from the cultural consciousness leaves Man no longer able or willing to identify evil when it rears it ugly head. Man is left to his own devices and we know where that leads EVERY time: Men ruling over other men. Your following statement pretty well sums it up:

Rather I suspect that when God is "obviated," this simply leaves an unimaginably immense vacuum into which the evil one and his minions can rush and fill. They "take the place" of what is properly God's, for the purpose of destroying souls. Without God's protection, they are remarkably easy to "pick off." It's sort of like "open hunting season" on humans....

Well said, AND, FWIW, I'm still not happy with my feeble explanation but getting my feelings into words has always been a "challenge", but I try. Typical man stuff???

23 posted on 11/21/2009 1:08:01 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake; r9etb; Alamo-Girl; Jacquerie; Poe White Trash; RobbyS
If satan and his minions are successful in their goal to boot God from the cultural consciousness, a commensurate goal and intended consequence is to also boot satan from the cultural consiousness. The seed, planted, nurtured and cultivated in the culture by he and his minions is, no God, no satan. No good, no evil. No absolutes. Satan, having been removed from the cultural consciousness leaves Man no longer able or willing to identify evil when it rears it ugly head. Man is left to his own devices and we know where that leads EVERY time: Men ruling over other men.

Oh so beautifully and truthfully said, dear ForGod'sSake! I agree with every word you've written here.

I revert back to an earlier post to r9etb, having to do with a "two-valued" (i.e., Aristotelian) logical system, in which there are only two truth values, differently stated as: True/false; yes/no; black/white; 0/1. And the significance of the Gödel Incompleteness Theorem, which points to a "three-valued" logical system, with the truth values true/false/undecidable.

Anyhoot, under a two-valued logical system, the absence of one of the values would wipe out its corresponding partner value. I.e., if there is no putatively "true" proposition, its corresponding putatively "false" proposition is starved for air and so just dies away.

This seems fine for simple measurement problems. But in my experience, it seems to me few human problems are resolvable on that expectation. To try to describe the model I perceive/apperceive, human life is not lived in the black-or-white of truth-or-false, but in the "in-between," as mediated by a higher principle. Which is why "undecidable" or systemically "incomplete" results can still be "truthful" results. And are always open to test.

My point is, the strategy of a two-valued logical system is at the base of Left progressive ideology. It wants to reduce all human problems to the dimensions of true-or-false. But human life as experienced never reduces to that! The only way you can assert such a (pre)supposition is to utterly expunge the idea of the sacred from human consciousness altogether....

Thank you so much for your beautiful essay/post, ForGod'sSake!

24 posted on 11/21/2009 1:43:55 PM PST by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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