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To: ForGod'sSake; r9etb; Alamo-Girl; Jacquerie; Poe White Trash; RobbyS
If satan and his minions are successful in their goal to boot God from the cultural consciousness, a commensurate goal and intended consequence is to also boot satan from the cultural consiousness. The seed, planted, nurtured and cultivated in the culture by he and his minions is, no God, no satan. No good, no evil. No absolutes. Satan, having been removed from the cultural consciousness leaves Man no longer able or willing to identify evil when it rears it ugly head. Man is left to his own devices and we know where that leads EVERY time: Men ruling over other men.

Oh so beautifully and truthfully said, dear ForGod'sSake! I agree with every word you've written here.

I revert back to an earlier post to r9etb, having to do with a "two-valued" (i.e., Aristotelian) logical system, in which there are only two truth values, differently stated as: True/false; yes/no; black/white; 0/1. And the significance of the Gödel Incompleteness Theorem, which points to a "three-valued" logical system, with the truth values true/false/undecidable.

Anyhoot, under a two-valued logical system, the absence of one of the values would wipe out its corresponding partner value. I.e., if there is no putatively "true" proposition, its corresponding putatively "false" proposition is starved for air and so just dies away.

This seems fine for simple measurement problems. But in my experience, it seems to me few human problems are resolvable on that expectation. To try to describe the model I perceive/apperceive, human life is not lived in the black-or-white of truth-or-false, but in the "in-between," as mediated by a higher principle. Which is why "undecidable" or systemically "incomplete" results can still be "truthful" results. And are always open to test.

My point is, the strategy of a two-valued logical system is at the base of Left progressive ideology. It wants to reduce all human problems to the dimensions of true-or-false. But human life as experienced never reduces to that! The only way you can assert such a (pre)supposition is to utterly expunge the idea of the sacred from human consciousness altogether....

Thank you so much for your beautiful essay/post, ForGod'sSake!

24 posted on 11/21/2009 1:43:55 PM PST by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop

It’s always a great pleasure for me, betty, when our paths cross and I get to read your wonderful comments.... You’re a real treasure!


25 posted on 11/21/2009 5:06:21 PM PST by r9etb
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To: betty boop
My point is, the strategy of a two-valued logical system is at the base of Left progressive ideology. It wants to reduce all human problems to the dimensions of true-or-false. But human life as experienced never reduces to that!

Granted to an extent but I think we might have a bona fide disagreement here; maybe not. IMHO almost everything can be parsed down to the dimension of direction. IOW, are one's actions moving one towards good or towards evil; towards right or towards wrong; towards truth or towards lies? That still, quiet voice; our God given spirit of discernment should conceivably leave us dwelling in the unknowable/undecidable for only short periods of time. A temporary affliction if you will.

It may be why most of us I'm sure have noticed that people of faith are a happy, serene and contented lot for the most part. Whereas unbelievers, unfamiliar with the grace and glory of our God seem to live in a constant state of confusion without even being aware of it. Truly an unhappy and discontented bunch of busybodies who think they have the answers when in truth, they don't even know the questions.

Peace ;^)

26 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:23 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: betty boop
As happens all to often I overlooked adding a point that slipped by me. First time that's ever happened. You believe me -- don't you???

Re the general serenity of believers and our occasional struggle with the unknowable/undecidable: What do we do when we arrive at a point where we are inclined to throw up our hands and just say, "I don't have a clue what to do, the heck with it"? We turn it over to Him who in fact does have all the answers. If we trust that He will furnish us the wisdom to proceed in a Good Orderly Direction, and have patience, He will not let us down.

Again, peace...

27 posted on 11/21/2009 8:05:19 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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