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To: ForGod'sSake
Outright antagonism to religious principles is not at all uncommon here. If for no other reason, religious principles should be embraced by all conservatives, even non-believers, for its stabilizing effect on society and cohesiveness of the culture.

You're right about the antagonism, but do you really think that advocacy (or the presence) of what amounts to deism is the solution?

"Religious principles" is pretty weak tea when compared with Christian belief.

11 posted on 11/18/2009 3:18:40 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Poe White Trash

Well, it was enough to found the United States. Contrary to what most liberals believe, most of the Founders were members of churches and “deists” such as Jefferson and Franklin, and infidels such as Thomas Paine, being the exception to the rule. Even Hamilton, who had drifted away from his boyhood Christianity,
was shaken enough by his son’s death in a duel to return to the faith, joining many other Americans in what called the second Great Awakening. The clergy, BTW, had been the professionals who most consistently supported the Whig cause, with the Presbyterians and Congregationalists leading the way.


12 posted on 11/18/2009 10:25:23 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Poe White Trash
You're right about the antagonism, but do you really think that advocacy (or the presence) of what amounts to deism is the solution?

Worse things could happen. Being mindful of a Supreme Being such as God puts Man in his rightful place in the hierarchy. IMHO, pride, and not the love of money, might arguably be the root of all evil.

"Religious principles" is pretty weak tea when compared with Christian belief.

Poorly stated on my part; adherence to Christian principles would more accurately reflect my thoughts. Short of that, see above.

14 posted on 11/18/2009 12:13:57 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Poe White Trash; RobbyS; betty boop; ForGod'sSake; Alamo-Girl
For PoeWhiteTrash: With no attempt to be condescending, and in all honesty, did you read the article?

It is long and somewhat of a rocky read but does a good job of explaining Natural Law, Morality and their influence on our Founders and Framers.

One does not have to particularly religious to appreciate what they gave to us and what is necessary to preserve their gift.

No other governing document recognized the following Natural Rights that all men are born with: Exclusive right to the profit of one’s writings and inventions, habeas corpus, freedom of the press, speech, the right to peacefully assemble, keep and bear arms, to petition our government, to be secure in our persons, paper and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, speedy public trial, to be confronted by the witnesses against us, equal protection under the laws, non discrimination on the basis of race or sex in voting rights.

Protection against ex-post facto laws, double jeopardy, self incrimination, deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process, taking of private property for public use without just compensation, excessive bail, cruel and unusual punishment, slavery (1865), poll taxes.

And finally the Ninth Amendment, to cover the Natural Rights not enumerated in the Constitution.

Only a moral people will protect the gift of our Founders and Framers.

22 posted on 11/21/2009 12:51:15 PM PST by Jacquerie (It is only in the context of Natural Law that the Declaration & Constitution form a coherent whole.)
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