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To: vladimir998

Hmmm... The “foundation on which the Church was built”, Peter, was married. Most of the early Church fathers were married. Bishops were told they could only have one wife...

Then, several centuries later, it’s decided that priests and bishops cannot be married at all, because it’s God’s will and tradition and Scripture say so.

Yep, no inconsistencies there!


16 posted on 11/11/2009 8:00:11 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

You wrote:

“Hmmm... The “foundation on which the Church was built”, Peter, was married.”

Peter was married. We have no idea if he was still married when Jesus called him. And we don’t know if he continued to live a conjugal life with his wife after he was made a priest. And, as always, Jesus is our first role model when discussing the priesthood since he is the High Priest and He was celibate.

“Most of the early Church fathers were married. Bishops were told they could only have one wife...”

But we know that many early Christians stopped having conjugal relations with their wives when called by the Church to hold office in teh Church.

“Then, several centuries later, it’s decided that priests and bishops cannot be married at all, because it’s God’s will and tradition and Scripture say so.”

No. Once there was a Christian community to which people could actually be BORN INTO rather than just brought into through baptism as adult married men, the ideal of the celibate priest (Christ is the model don’t forget) was more easily realized. That’s why Pope Benedict is doing what he is doing with the Anglicans. Those Anglican clergymen who are already married will be ordained as married men, but the next generation apparently will be expected to have celibate priests.

“Yep, no inconsistencies there!”

Right, none at all. The ideal was always the ideal. And still is.


17 posted on 11/11/2009 8:27:19 AM PST by vladimir998 (Some public school grads actually believe BIGETOUS is a word)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Peter, was married.

At one time. Scripture never mentions his wife.

Most of the early Church fathers were married.

Source?

Bishops were told they could only have one wife.

St. Paul's counsel to Timothy was that if he selected married men as Bishops, they could have only been married once. There was no mandate from St. Paul, a celibate himself, that married men must be selected as Bishops. In addition, St. Paul instructs Timothy that said men who serve as Bishops must be chaste. One of the definitions of chaste is celibate and celibacy within marriage means abstaining from conjugal relations.

Then, several centuries later, it’s decided that priests and bishops cannot be married at all, because it’s God’s will and tradition and Scripture say so.

This is indisputable proof that you know little to nothing on the topic being discussed.

Suggest you do some reading, unless of course you enjoy coming across as an ignoramus. Which based on your posts here is, no doubt, one of life's pleasures for you.

Yep, no inconsistencies there!

Further proof of the intellectually challenged.

23 posted on 11/11/2009 11:29:48 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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