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To: frogjerk

“And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.” - Matt 1

“7And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.” - Luke 2

46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” - Matt 12

31 Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. 32 And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.” 33 But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” 34 And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” - Mark 3

19 Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. 20 And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.” 21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” - Luke 8

“After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days.” - John 2

“All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.” - Acts 1

“But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother.” - Galatians 1

Basic scripture interpretation rules - assume the text means what it says, unless there is reason to believe otherwise.

There is no place in the NT where Mary is said to be a perpetual virgin, so the only texts we have by people who knew her indicates she had more children.

There were Greek words for brother, and cousin, and the writers of the NT used both words where appropriate. There were also words for kin, to indicate someone who was related but not a brother or sister, and it wasn’t used.


27 posted on 11/03/2009 10:32:31 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

This is refuted in the original posting.


34 posted on 11/03/2009 10:46:57 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Mr Rogers

Good work. Dogma versus doctrine. Dogma = what one wants you to believe. Doctrine = what you need to believe. Generally speaking, of course. Can be difficult separating the two.


185 posted on 11/03/2009 1:50:48 PM PST by Williford
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