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Cardinal Levada: no “celibacy issue” in reception of Anglicans into Catholic Church
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| October 31, 2009
Posted on 10/31/2009 1:37:08 PM PDT by NYer
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posted on
10/31/2009 1:37:10 PM PDT
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NYer
To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
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posted on
10/31/2009 1:38:35 PM PDT
by
NYer
( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
To: NYer
With all dure respect, this is beginning to sound like a soap opera...
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posted on
10/31/2009 1:49:37 PM PDT
by
kosta50
(Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
To: NYer
I'd like to think that they would accept married guys already "in process", at least in some cases.
When I was coming up, once we were postulants we couldn't get married w/o our bishop's okey-dokey, so it wasn't like we treated the issue lightly, at least in my diocese. But, who knows, things are different from diocese to diocese and you'd have to wonder about guys who at this late date were going for Pepsicola ordination.
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posted on
10/31/2009 1:55:44 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg; NYer
Many dioceses already have married (former Anglican) priests who have converted to Catholicism. I don’t really see that anything, other than an open invitation by the Pope, has changed.
Am I wrong here?
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:01:18 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Mad Dawg
I'd like to think that they would accept married guys already "in process", at least in some cases. I am not familiar with the current Anglican approach to divorced priests. It seems only right, from a Catholic perspective, that married seminarians and/or fully ordained priests, go through the normative process to ensure the marriage is solid. A divorced priest would present a scandalous situation in the Catholic Church. Does that make sense to you?
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:09:03 PM PDT
by
NYer
( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
To: Salvation
Apologies for not pinging you to my post #4.
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:09:41 PM PDT
by
NYer
( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
To: Mad Dawg; Salvation; All
The following was posted today by Rocco Palmo on his WITL blog.
On Anglican Deal, Vatican Busts "Celibacy" Chatter
We interrupt this weekend breather for a Halloween treat from the Holy See.
Over recent days, the Italian press
ran with speculation (quickly picked up by Anglophone media) that the delay in the Apostolic Constitution which'll
set up "personal ordinariates" for Tiber-swimming Anglicans
owed itself to a "debate" regarding how the celibacy requirement
would be handled for married converts who wished to enter formation for the Catholic priesthood.
This morning, in further evidence of a significant shift for its traditionally above-the-fray communications strategy, the Vatican Press Office released the following response to the now-widespread buzz, which included the relevant part of the still-hidden document, whose name likewise remains unknown. While several outlets ran with the story, the statement specifically (and, to be candid, astoundingly) called out one reporter -- the highly-regarded
Andrea Tornielli of
Il Giornale, who's racked up a reputation over the last several years as the most reliable of the Vatican's "court scribes."
Notably, the clarification was published solely in English.
Here it is in full; emphases original:
CLARIFICATION BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE HOLY SEE PRESS OFFICE, FR. FEDERICO LOMBARDI, S.I., ON SPECULATIONS ABOUT THE CELIBACY ISSUE IN THE ANNOUNCED APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION REGARDING PERSONAL ORDINARIATES FOR ANGLICAN ENTERING INTO FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
There has been widespread speculation, based on supposedly knowledgeable remarks by an Italian correspondent Andrea Tornielli, that the delay in publication of the Apostolic Constitution regarding Personal Ordinariates for Anglicans entering into full communion with the Catholic Church, announced on October 20, 2009, by Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is due to more than "technical" reasons. According to this speculation, there is a serious substantial issue at the basis of the delay, namely, disagreement about whether celibacy will be the norm for the future clergy of the Provision.
Cardinal Levada offered the following comments on this speculation: "Had I been asked I would happily have clarified any doubt about my remarks at the press conference. There is no substance to such speculation. No one at the Vatican has mentioned any such issue to me. The delay is purely technical in the sense of ensuring consistency in canonical language and references. The translation issues are secondary; the decision not to delay publication in order to wait for the official Latin text to be published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis was made some time ago.
The drafts prepared by the working group, and submitted for study and approval through the usual process followed by the Congregation, have all included the following statement, currently Article VI of the Constitution:
§1 Those who ministered as Anglican deacons, priests, or bishops, and who fulfill the requisites established by canon law and are not impeded by irregularities or other impediments may be accepted by the Ordinary as candidates for Holy Orders in the Catholic Church. In the case of married ministers, the norms established in the Encyclical Letter of Pope Paul VI Sacerdotalis coelibatus, n. 42 and in the Statement "In June" are to be observed. Unmarried ministers must submit to the norm of clerical celibacy of CIC can. 277, §1.
§2. The Ordinary, in full observance of the discipline of celibate clergy in the Latin Church, as a rule (pro regula) will admit only celibate men to the order of presbyter. He may also petition the Roman Pontiff, as a derogation from can. 277, §1, for the admission of married men to the order of presbyter on a case by case basis, according to objective criteria approved by the Holy See.
This article is to be understood as consistent with the current practice of the Church, in which married former Anglican ministers may be admitted to priestly ministry in the Catholic Church on a case by case basis. With regard to future seminarians, it was considered purely speculative whether there might be some cases in which a dispensation from the celibacy rule might be petitioned. For this reason, objective criteria about any such possibilities (e.g. married seminarians already in preparation) are to be developed jointly by the Personal Ordinariate and the Episcopal Conference, and submitted for approval of the Holy See."
Cardinal Levada said he anticipates the technical work on the Constitution and Norms will be completed by the end of the first week of November.
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:14:18 PM PDT
by
NYer
( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
To: NYer
I agree with your take on the divorced Anglican priests.
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:15:15 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: NYer; Mad Dawg
**Those who ministered as Anglican deacons, priests, or bishops, and who fulfill the requisites established by canon law and are not impeded by irregularities or other impediments may be accepted by the Ordinary as candidates for Holy Orders in the Catholic Church. In the case of married ministers, the norms established in the Encyclical Letter of Pope Paul VI Sacerdotalis **
Does this clarify for you?
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:21:37 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: NYer
**Cardinal Levada said he anticipates the technical work on the Constitution and Norms will be completed by the end of the first week of November.**
Wow! Not wasting any time here at all?
How many new priests for next year?
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posted on
10/31/2009 2:22:49 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: kosta50
The media have one-track minds, and they think everyone else is as obsessed with untrammelled sexual activity as they are.
Boooo-ring.
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posted on
10/31/2009 3:11:02 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Yes, I'm the one who defends venomous snakes. Somebody has to.)
To: NYer
Le-vah-da is da man!!
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posted on
10/31/2009 3:21:45 PM PDT
by
marshmallow
("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
To: NYer
That certainly makes sense. Marriages would have to be seen to be valid, most certainly in the situation where there was a former Spouse (under civil law) still living.
The current pepsicola appraoch to divorced priests, like so much in that communion, is "Hey, whatever."
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posted on
10/31/2009 4:12:20 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Salvation
You are right as regards the current situation.
IF I understand what is now being contemplated, and that's a big if) the difference is that now instead of the former Anglican priest being folded into the diocese someway OR being part of an Anglican Rite parish, there would be these ordinariates, which would function like non geographical dioceses AND would not necessarily have bishops.
So I "regular" bishop who might not know what to do with a married priest would not have to worry about it. It would the the "Ordinary" who would place these men.
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posted on
10/31/2009 4:16:36 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: marshmallow
Le-vah-da is da man!!
As someone who remembers when Levada was Archbishop of San Francisco, I can assure you that he is NOT "da man." He is a church bureaucrat who has attained a high position because he does what he's told and does not rock the boat. If you see something positive coming from Levada, you can be sure that he is merely following orders from above (i.e., the Holy Father). Thus, if you want to give anyone credit, give it to Pope Benedict XVI.
To: irishjuggler
Well, that’s not so bad. I mean not everyone is cut out to be an executive. If he’s pious and scholarly and efficient that’s not so bad. It’s just not diocesan material, maybe, especially in San Francisco where the job ought to come with combat awareness, a very thick skin, and a willingness to give as good as you get in streefighting.
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posted on
10/31/2009 5:21:25 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: kosta50
No, it sounds like a developing news story.
To: NYer
You wrote:
“A divorced priest would present a scandalous situation in the Catholic Church.”
I remember reading about a former Episcopalian accepted into the Catholic priesthood under the Pastoral Provision. His wife divorced him AFTER he was ordained a Catholic priest. He didn’t want the divorce, but couldn’t stop it.
I didn’t see that as a scandal. There will be a number of worse cases that will come out of the woodwork when these Anglicans begin the process of applying for ordination.
To: Mad Dawg
It's just not diocesan material, maybe, especially in San Francisco where the job ought to come with combat awareness, a very thick skin, and a willingness to give as good as you get in streefighting.
Right. For a long time, we've needed a real archbishop to come into San Francisco and shake things up and put an end to all of the un-Catholic nonsense that takes place in this archdiocese. We've needed someone to stand up to the liberals, the gays, the media and the local "Catholic" politicians (i.e., Pelosi, Newsom et al.). Levada was not that person and neither was his successor.
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