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With His Daring Scheme for Anglicans, Benedict XVI Fulfills the Hopes of Cardinal Newman
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10/22/09 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 10/23/2009 9:36:25 AM PDT by marshmallow

Was Pope Benedict XVI inspired by Cardinal John Henry Newman, whom it is hoped he will beatify in England next year, when he suddenly threw open the gates of Rome to disaffected Anglicans on Tuesday morning?

The official website for Newman’s Cause hinted as much when it greeted the announcement with a reminder of Newman’s support for a proposal to establish an Anglican Uniate Church for converts, similar to that provided for Byzantine-rite Catholics. The plan was conceived by Ambrose Phillips de Lisle and Newman rightly guessed that it would be unworkable. But if it could be made to work, he said, he was all in favour. As he wrote to de Lisle in 1876:

“Nothing will rejoice me more than to find that the Holy See considers it safe and promising to sanction some such plan as the Pamphlet suggests. I give my best prayers, such as they are, that some means of drawing to us so many good people, who are now shivering at our gates, may be discovered.”

And now it has been, thanks to Pope Benedict, who I hope will name his great scheme after Newman. I am sure the Pope is familiar with the reference to “shivering at the gates”, which William Oddie quotes in his book The Roman Option, an account of the English bishops’ failure to meet Anglican pastoral needs in the early 1990s. The then Cardinal Ratzinger is believed to have read the book, which reads as a dreadful reproach to a hierarchy which determinedly set up obstacles to Anglican corporate reunion.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: catholic; popebenedict; tac
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1 posted on 10/23/2009 9:36:25 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The only reason there’s an “Anglican” church in England is solely the result of the ego and sefish ambitions of one man who liked to put his wives to death!


2 posted on 10/23/2009 9:39:42 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: marshmallow

I wonder what Biblical prophesy scholars make of this?


3 posted on 10/23/2009 9:42:32 AM PDT by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Let’s pray that with this move he can reassemble some sort of Christian bulwark against Muslim expansionism in Britain.


4 posted on 10/23/2009 9:43:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow

For the last several months I have been attending a weekly class (unrelated to politics or religion) at an Episcopalian church—All Saints Church in Pasadena, CA.

This “church” has the all the look and feel of Democrat Party HQ or even BHO’s campaign offices. First thing you notice are all of the BHO bumperstickers in the parking lot. Then when you walk into the building you see bulletin boards all over the place with fliers posted concerning upcoming left-wing activities, protests, workshops, and speakers. There is no sense of spirituality whatsoever in this “church”. Sadly, All Saints Church has become the central organizing place for much of left-wing activism in the general Pasadena area.

If this is typical of Episcoplian churches across the country, I can clearly see why the church is falling apart at the seams.


5 posted on 10/23/2009 9:45:17 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: cvq3842
I wonder what Biblical prophesy scholars make of this?

Perhaps one will check in and tell us!

FR has quite a few, you may have noticed...... :-)

'Least that's what they tell us!

6 posted on 10/23/2009 9:46:38 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: cvq3842
I wonder what Biblical prophesy scholars make of this?

This proposal may increase membership in the Catholic Church.

But the Roman Catholic Edifice is the locus of all evil in the universe.

Therefore, Benedict (formerly the Grand Inquisitor, and torturer of rabbits) has graduated to sacrificing goats to satan in his basement. MUWhahahahaha!

Hmmmm ... maybe the preceding would have looked better in multi-coloured fonts of randomly varying size ...

7 posted on 10/23/2009 9:49:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
-"Let’s pray that with this move he can reassemble some sort of Christian bulwark against Muslim expansionism in Britain."

Good point, I have no doubt that this is clearly on his mind.

8 posted on 10/23/2009 9:52:24 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Pope Benedict's proposal/offer is made in response to a request from some very conservative Anglicans in England. They're basically interested in how they can (re)join the Catholic Church in visible communion with the Pope ... and still hang on to their Anglican liturgical culture.

I think the BH0 worshiping Episcopalians are part of the reason these conservative Anglicans want to cross the river.

9 posted on 10/23/2009 9:53:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

I like the idea of naming it after Newman.


10 posted on 10/23/2009 10:07:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: LibFreeUSA

That’s a strange thing to say. I would put it more like, the only reason there’s an Anglican church is because of one man, the Obama of his time, who thought he was bigger than the church, bigger than God.


11 posted on 10/23/2009 10:58:09 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

You think none of that business goes on at Catholic parishes? I hope you know that this constitution is not about churches like All Saints, Pasadena.


12 posted on 10/23/2009 10:59:52 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: livius

Naming WHAT after Newman? The Personal Prelature? The Apostolic Constitution? I don’t think the Church is too big on naming these things after men, are they?


13 posted on 10/23/2009 11:02:04 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: ichabod1

Nonsense. I have been to dozens of Catholic churches in the LA area and have never seen such blatant political advocacy. And most Catholic churches at least have a spiritual environment even if some have liberal priests and congregations.

Is not the Episcopal Church a part of the Anglican communion?


14 posted on 10/23/2009 11:07:44 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

I grant you that the episcopal church you describe sounds extra outre, but you are in the land of Mahoney my FRiend, and the Catholic parishes are far too liberal, far too into emulating All Saints.

I just got a message from the rector of a church I attend calling the Apostolic Constitution “opportunistic unholy poaching” and “fishing for disgruntled Anglicans.”


15 posted on 10/23/2009 11:47:22 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

p.s. THe Anglican Communion is not a church as such, but a loose confederation of different national churches. With The Episcopal Church, each bishop is supreme in his own diocese - he does not report to the presiding bishop. The national church would be more like the USCCB than like the Vatican.


16 posted on 10/23/2009 11:49:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

You’ve been to DOZENS of churches in the archdiocese? Suddenly that hit me that’s a LOT of churches, and I’m a church hopper...


17 posted on 10/23/2009 11:50:59 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: ichabod1

“fishing for disgruntled Anglicans.”

I wonder what kind of bait is best?

(I am a former Anglican by the way, no one fished for me).


18 posted on 10/23/2009 11:54:04 AM PDT by alarm rider (The left always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: ichabod1
I just got a message from the rector of a church I attend calling the Apostolic Constitution “opportunistic unholy poaching” and “fishing for disgruntled Anglicans.”

Send him this article.

Ask him what the Church should do with people who are "shivering at the gates", to use Newman's phrase.

19 posted on 10/23/2009 11:57:58 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: ichabod1

Look, FRiend, I have lived in the LA area for the last thirty years. Yes, I do belong to just one Church and I go there every week. But, also I have been to literally dozens of other Catholic churches in the region for various different reasons—sometimes for weddings, sometimes funerals, sometimes First Communions, sometimes, baptisms. Sometimes even meetings. I am a 4th degree member of the Knights of Columbus and we sometimes have our functions in churches. Also, sometimes I am away from my particular church on a given weekend, so I’ve been known to attend Mass at whatever Church is nearby.


20 posted on 10/23/2009 11:59:59 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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