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To: guitarplayer1953

I have had a lot of issues with “some” Vineyards, though
we attended Wimber’s church when it was held at Canyon
High School. The worship was AMAZING! The teaching
was not as fundamental as we liked, so we moved on.

Then came the barking and the laughing and the whatnot.
So many of my friends were swept into this. I could
not reason with them because their experience was so
intensely “sensual” that it “convinced” them more than
“convicted” them that their humiliating behavior was God
ordained.

Your adversaries have roared in the midst of Your meeting
place; They have set up their own standards for signs.
—Psalm 74:4—


28 posted on 10/22/2009 5:50:30 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Got swept up in the Toronto Blessing in ST. Louis at the vineyard there and it began to leave a bitter taste in my mouth lots of umbilical happenings. It became an addiction of conference hopping that luckily got delivered from.


29 posted on 10/22/2009 5:55:43 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Loved meeting John W in Taipei. Loved his video series of his testimony and the early Vineyard stuff.

I think his humility and loathing churchianity were quite what God liked, a LOT.

And, he sought to find out what God was doing and JOIN GOD in whatever God was doing. Hard model to better.


36 posted on 10/22/2009 6:21:05 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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