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To: Alex Murphy

The leadership of the Catholic church, if it’s not filled with pedophiles and active homosexuals, is filled with people who don’t understand Scripture and think Mary is Our Savior (well, along with Christ as an “also-ran”).


4 posted on 10/20/2009 9:03:59 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (There is no "gray area" on issues. See things from both sides, but choose the right side.)
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To: ConservativeMind

You’re full of it!


5 posted on 10/20/2009 9:19:49 AM PDT by notaliberal (Right-wing extremist)
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To: ConservativeMind
filled with people who don’t understand Scripture and think Mary is Our Savior (well, along with Christ as an “also-ran”).

Umm, no. St. Louis de Montfort is one of those who probably had the most "excessive" Marian devotion, and this is what he said:

61. Jesus, our Saviour, true God and true man must be the ultimate end of all our other devotions; otherwise they would be false and misleading. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and end of everything. "We labour," says St. Paul, "only to make all men perfect in Jesus Christ."

For in him alone dwells the entire fullness of the divinity and the complete fullness of grace, virtue and perfection. In him alone we have been blessed with every spiritual blessing; he is the only teacher from whom we must learn; the only Lord on whom we should depend; the only Head to whom we should be united and the only model that we should imitate. He is the only Physician that can heal us; the only Shepherd that can feed us; the only Way that can lead us; the only Truth that we can believe; the only Life that can animate us. He alone is everything to us and he alone can satisfy all our desires.

We are given no other name under heaven by which we can be saved. God has laid no other foundation for our salvation, perfection and glory than Jesus. Every edifice which is not built on that firm rock, is founded upon shifting sands and will certainly fall sooner or later. Every one of the faithful who is not united to him is like a branch broken from the stem of the vine. It falls and withers and is fit only to be burnt. If we live in Jesus and Jesus lives in us, we need not fear damnation. Neither angels in heaven nor men on earth, nor devils in hell, no creature whatever can harm us, for no creature can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. Through him, with him and in him, we can do all things and render all honour and glory to the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit; we can make ourselves perfect and be for our neighbour a fragrance of eternal life.

62. If then we are establishing sound devotion to our Blessed Lady, it is only in order to establish devotion to our Lord more perfectly, by providing a smooth but certain way of reaching Jesus Christ. If devotion to our Lady distracted us from our Lord, we would have to reject it as an illusion of the devil. But this is far from being the case. As I have already shown and will show again later on, this devotion is necessary, simply and solely because it is a way of reaching Jesus perfectly, loving him tenderly, and serving him faithfully.

8 posted on 10/20/2009 9:23:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: ConservativeMind
The leadership of the Catholic church, if it’s not filled with pedophiles and active homosexuals, is filled with people who don’t understand Scripture and think Mary is Our Savior (well, along with Christ as an “also-ran”).

You forgot to mention that the Pope helped Hitler with the Holocaust, the present Pope is lobbying for a one world government and that we're responsible for AIDS in Africa, too.

No sense in being coy. Might as well go for the jugular.

25 posted on 10/20/2009 12:29:12 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: ConservativeMind

Catholics know and believe that Christ is our Lord and Savior. The word ‘co’ in Latin means with — We would not have Christ without the Blessed Virgin Mary. That’s all it means.


97 posted on 10/22/2009 9:04:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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