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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
If it is his "secret will" then how can you state that the Nation of Israel is not a fulfillment of prophecy or part of the divine order planned by God from the foundation of the earth?

Secret will (aka decretive will) simply means something not specifically declared to us in the Bible. E.g., the Bible does not tell us that Ronald Reagan was to be the 40th president of the US, although we know now that it certainly was.

This is over and against His prescriptive will, that which is plainly given to us in the Bible. An example of that would be that the Christ should be born of a virgin, or that He would be born in Bethlehem, or that the temple would be destroyed and OT sacrifices ended once for all time.

The existence of modern Israel is not part of God’s prescriptive will since nothing in the Bible can be positively and definitely linked to modern Israel.

Has God revealed his "secret will" to you?

No, but that is irrelevant to the subject at hand as I have demonstrated.

45 posted on 10/20/2009 12:59:48 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe
OT sacrifices ended once for all time.

Actually, you added the "all time" part to the scripture. Isn't it funny how our interpretations can impose themselves onto scripture until we begin to think they are scripture. Even though they aren't.

As you say about Chuck Smith, I guess this now puts you in that same class of "false prophet"....ehh?...someone who gets carried away with his interpretation.

47 posted on 10/20/2009 1:16:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: topcat54; xzins
This is over and against His prescriptive will, that which is plainly given to us in the Bible. An example of that would be that the Christ should be born of a virgin, or that He would be born in Bethlehem, or that the temple would be destroyed and OT sacrifices ended once for all time.

TC, I don't think you realize this but nearly all Old Testament prophecies about Christ were veiled and not plain. They were hidden in references to other people, to shepherds to prophets or to nations or to animals or even crops. If the references were so clear, why is it that nearly all of the biblical scholars of the time (you know, the ones with the advanced degrees) missed it?

The references to Christ's first coming were veiled as are the references to his second coming.

The existence of modern Israel is not part of God’s prescriptive will since nothing in the Bible can be positively and definitely linked to modern Israel.

Well God gathered the descendants of Abraham from every corner of the planet to meet in the same real estate he promised them he would hold in trust forever. That much is pretty clear in the Bible.

50 posted on 10/20/2009 1:32:33 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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