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To: Overwatcher; xzins; BibChr
Are you suggesting that by extending unconditional grace, that God is not in control of human events?

Could Israel have been re-established in 1947 if it were not for the hand of God guiding the events?

To suggest that God did not have a hand in the re-establishment of "a" Nation called Israel in 1947 is to suggest that God is NOT in control of anything?

Is God in control in your life? Could you even take another breath if it were not in the will and divine plan of God for you to do so?

30 posted on 10/20/2009 11:00:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Overwatcher; xzins; BibChr

God in control of everything means also the presidency of Obama. And of my not voting for him.


34 posted on 10/20/2009 11:07:16 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Do I believe that God could have used a corrupt, man-made organization such as the United Nations to accomplish His purpose? Of course! Do I believe that’s what happened in 1947-48? Not necessarily. Yes, a nation was created called Israel. Do I believe it was the Israel of God created back then? No. Will the Nation of Israel be created? Yes, and by God it will.

Did God decide what you were going to have for breakfast this morning? Don’t you think He has more important things with which to concern Himself?

God gives me the very breath of life. If He stopped that flow I would no longer be breathing.


35 posted on 10/20/2009 11:07:43 AM PDT by Overwatcher
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To: P-Marlowe; Overwatcher; xzins
Could Israel have been re-established in 1947 if it were not for the hand of God guiding the events?

If you are saying that God’s providence extends to the rise and fall of nations, absolutely not.

If by that you are contending that modern Israel is the fulfillment of specific Bible prophecies that can be proven, the answer is that such is not the teaching of the Bible.

“Re-establish” is really the wrong term. Modern Israel has little in common with biblical Israel. There is no direct connection.

Israel being constituted as a secular nation in 1947 is no different than the unification of Italy in the 19th century or the rise and fall of the Soviet Union. God orders the affairs of men according to His secret will and good pleasure.

36 posted on 10/20/2009 11:10:44 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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