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To: P-Marlowe; Overwatcher; xzins
Could Israel have been re-established in 1947 if it were not for the hand of God guiding the events?

If you are saying that God’s providence extends to the rise and fall of nations, absolutely not.

If by that you are contending that modern Israel is the fulfillment of specific Bible prophecies that can be proven, the answer is that such is not the teaching of the Bible.

“Re-establish” is really the wrong term. Modern Israel has little in common with biblical Israel. There is no direct connection.

Israel being constituted as a secular nation in 1947 is no different than the unification of Italy in the 19th century or the rise and fall of the Soviet Union. God orders the affairs of men according to His secret will and good pleasure.

36 posted on 10/20/2009 11:10:44 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe; Overwatcher
There is no direct connection.

Many Jewish sects believe there is. The same with many Christians.

How do you "prove" that a time of God is upon us or is around the corner? Aside from direct revelation, all we have is the possibility of certain scriptures aligning.

The Apostles weren't aware of the resurrection until after it had occurred, even though Jesus told them many times.

At the same time, I, too, would counsel caution. I would also counsel knowledge of other perspectives. I am a sola scriptura kind of guy.

The bottom line is this: if we don't appeal to scripture as authoritative then to what do we appeal?

38 posted on 10/20/2009 11:21:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: topcat54; xzins
God orders the affairs of men according to His secret will and good pleasure.

If it is his "secret will" then how can you state that the Nation of Israel is not a fulfillment of prophecy or part of the divine order planned by God from the foundation of the earth?

Has God revealed his "secret will" to you?

41 posted on 10/20/2009 12:06:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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