Posted on 10/19/2009 4:17:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has proclaimed to the world consistently since its beginning that there was an apostasy of the church founded by Jesus during his Palestinian ministry and led by his Apostles following his ascension. This is a fundamental belief of the Latter-day Saints. If there had not been an apostasy, there would have been no need for a restoration.
Latter-day Saint theology asserts that the church of the Savior and his Apostles in the Old World came to an end within a century after its formation. The doctrines which its inspired leaders taught were corrupted and changed by others not of similar inspiration, the authority to act in God’s name was taken from the earth, and none of the Christian systems that existed after those developments, though they did some good things, enjoyed divine endorsement as the Lord’s own church. (JS—H 1:19; D&C 1:30.)
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The New Testament contains several statements made by Jesus and his Apostles about the future of their work...In short, they knew that the Church would fall into apostasy shortly after their time, and they bore candid testimony of that fact, as the following passages demonstrate.
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The Prophet Joseph Smith said that this beast was “in the likeness of the kingdoms of the earth.” (JST, Rev. 13:1.) Kingdom, in a scriptural context, can mean any kind of institution, movement, force, or power—religious, political, or otherwise. In viewing John’s beast in the light of its context in Revelation 13 and other prophetic statements concerning the fall of the Church, we can identify it as the institutions or forces that prevailed over (or, more accurately, corrupted) true Christianity, leaving an apostate Christianity in its place.
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From the article: This is a fundamental belief of the Latter-day Saints. If there had not been an apostasy, there would have been no need for a restoration.
The only way Jackson could have said this better was to emphasize that Lds consider this "THE" apostasy -- not just "an" -- meaning Lds say ALL Christians have been part of the apostate church for the past 1500-1900 years! Even Jackson says: ...that the church of the Savior and his Apostles in the Old World came to an end within a century after its formation.
So here Jesus prophesied that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church (Matt. 18:16). Mormons therefore must believe Jesus lied or was mistaken as a false prophet.
Furthermore, Joseph Smith had to dig a big enough spiritual graveyard to hold all of Christianity. Why? Because as this writer says, "If there had not been an apostasy, there would have been no need for a restoration. [Jackson means here a TOTAL, COMPLETE apostasy...'cause otherwise, no need for Smith to be the Superman on the scene...no total apostasy, then Smith is de-converted from Superman to superfluous man]
None of the verses Jackson cites ever highlight a complete apostasy.
And just so everybody is clear: Mormons have been claiming what Jackson wrote in this article 25 years ago for the past 180 years! Jackson says the early Christians were all guilty of doctrine corruption; Joseph Smith accused ALL Christian professors of being corrupt. In fact, Smith said that ALL (not just some) of Christian creeds were "an abomination" to the Mormon god.
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Makes it kinda hard to believe Glenn Beck’s really after the truth.
Mormons are very good people. They are not God’s people!
Politically, probably. But like all unsaved, he CANNOT see the ultimate truth, Jesus Christ, 2nd person of the Godhead.
Jesus during his Palestinian ministry
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Well right there’s a big part of the problem...
someone didnt read the Bible...
Jesus was never in a place called “Palestine”
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Israel...
Fled to Egypt with His parents when He was a few weeks old...
Came back to Israel when He was about 2 years old and lived in Nazareth until He was 30...
Once a year he went to Jerusalem to worship at the Temple...
When He was 30 He traveled up and down Israel ministering and preaching and teaching and healing the sick and casting out devils....
After 3 years He was crucified and shed His life giving blood on the cross and died to save whomever will...
The third day He rose again...
He traveled around Israel for the nexr 40 days and was seen by many people...
From Israel He ascended into Heaven...
Nope no Palestine in the Bible...
If Joey Smith had ever read the Christian bible and believed it and obeyed the God of the Bible, he would not have wanted to make up his own foul pagan religion to cover his evil activities...
so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
Isaiah 55:11
Where Do All These People Live?
Palestine in the Time of Jesus
Most of the people in the Bible stories lived in or around a land that was called Palestine in Jesus’ day, and which is now part of the modern state of Israel. Rome was a city-state then (Rome is now the capital of Italy), ruling large tracts of land around the Mediterranean Sea, including Palestine. The Herod family that ruled Palestine during Jesus’ lifetime was from Idumea, a southern province in Palestine.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem (a few miles from Jerusalem), fled to Egypt with his parents when he was a baby, grew up in Joseph’s hometown of Nazareth in northern Palestine, and worshiped at the Temple in Jerusalem. He did a great deal of his preaching and teaching in the north, around the Sea of Galilee, but he also had friends he visited frequently in Bethany, just outside of Jerusalem. Many of his disciples came from the small towns around the Sea of Galilee.
The distance from Nazareth to Jerusalem is about sixty-five miles. Most of the traveling of Jesus, his family, and his disciples was done on foot. Jews who traveled from the region around Galilee to Jerusalem would make a detour so that they would not have to travel through Samaria.
Saul, who became Paul, received a letter from the elders in Jerusalem giving him permission to persecute the new Christians living in Damascus.
Everyday Life in Bible Times, by Tim Dowley, provides insight into the dailiness of life in Palestine.
http://www.sundayschoollessons.com/palestin.htm
Joel 3: 4
4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
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Mark 7: 24, 31
24 ¶ And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, aand would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
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31 ¶ And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.
Well right there’s a big part of the problem...
someone didnt read the Bible...
There is no mention of a “Palestine” in the Bible...
Other than that ...
Howya doin, Resty ???
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Hmmmm
OK I stand corrected...
However, no mention in Mark...
Just that one mentine in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible...
Exodus and Isaiah mention Palestina...
Each time its mentioned it is a rebuke from God because it is an enemy of Israel, not a different name for Israel..
VC42
....don’t expect much more from the bias
I cited to the verse in Mark because Tyre and Sidon is identified as part of the “coasts of Palestine” and in the verse in Mark Christ is teaching in Tyre and Sidon.
Its the same place.
Palestine was an area of modern day Syria, where the Philistines and the Phenicians lived...
Mark 7 goes on to say that a Greek woman, a Syrophenician, came to Jesus and asked Him to heal her daughter...
But He told her that healing was the children’s bread...In other words, what the children could expect and receive from God...every time...
Jedsus was there to minister to the Jews...
Healing was for the children of God, the Jews, just as it is today...
The Children of God can claim healing in their bodies and thier lives and receive it by faith...
Jesus went around healing everyone...except those who did not believe Him..
This woman pressed in and what she said pleased jesus because of her faith...
So He healed her daughter..
Becausae of her faith...
There was a prostitute who stepped into the lobby of a building to get warm one cold night when Katherine Kuhlman was preaching...
Miss Kuhlman was preaching on healing and deliverance as usual and the prostitute heard he say that anyone could be healed...
The prostitute needed healing in her body so she asked someone if thast healing really was for anyone..
When she was told it was, she recieved it by faith and was healed in her body...
The pain went or whatever else happened but she KNEW she was healed...
She went back outside healed ...still unsaved, still a prostitute ...but healed..
Jesus will heal whomever will...by faith...
Joe's Myth's seer stone read the Bible as he plaguarized it for the brainwashed chloroform loving folks who blindly joined his new whacky reinvented "religion". They ain't "Christian", but boy are they a hoot!
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