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* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Posted on 10/09/2009 7:42:01 PM PDT by lightman
ELCA NEWS SERVICE October 9, 2009
ELCA and ELCJHL Bishops Deepen Conversations among Christians and Muslims
WASHINGTON (ELCA) -- The Rev. Mark S. Hanson, presiding bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and the Rev. Munib A. Younan, bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, were among 1,000 people who attended the fourth major Muslim-Christian dialogue conference here Oct. 7-8.
"It has been both the challenge and the hope for this conference that common words would lead to common deeds," said Hanson. "We have heard stories of places where particular Muslims and Christians are deepening their understanding of one another in dialogue that leads to engagement in their communities."
The discussion was an extension of a 2007 document, "A Common Word Between Us and You," from 138 Muslim scholars to Christian leaders, calling for Christians and Muslims to work together for peace. It declared that the world's future depends on peace between Muslims and Christians.
In a message to the attendees, Jordanian Prince Ghazi bin Muhammed said the purpose of the conference was "to examine and chart out some concrete, practical, and, more importantly, actionable ideas."
Younan said three actions are needed: to understand what it means to love the neighbor; to infiltrate the "Common Word" into the grass roots, especially among the younger generation; and to create a "prophetic diakonia" -- working together to provide development, relief and social services.
"I have challenged that some steps should by taken like working together, Muslims and Christians, for justice in the world," said Younan. "To work for justice in the world, it cannot be only Muslims or Christians and cannot be only for our own interests, but it must really take into consideration what problems are facing us and need justice."
Younan cited a number of Muslim and Christian charities. He suggested forming a joint charity project which would consist of and be equally funded by Muslims and Christians. "There is poverty in the Muslim and Christian world and we cannot deal with them (issues of poverty) alone," he said.
Hanson, paraphrasing Younan's comments at one of the conference panels, said, "If our common words do not lead to common deeds that bring justice where there are very real conflicts today, where people's lives are at stake, then our work is completely unfinished."
Both Lutheran bishops have met with Muslim leaders, focusing on issues of peace in the Middle East. Past conferences of the "Common Word" initiative were held at Yale University, the University of Cambridge and the Vatican.
--- Information about the conference is at http://president.georgetown.edu/sections/initiatives/commonword/77725.html on the Web. Audio of comments by Bishop Hanson is at http://media.ELCA.org/audionews/091009Hanson.mp3 and that of Bishop Younan is at http://media.ELCA.org/audionews/091009Younan.mp3 on the ELCA Web site.
Time for a little remedial catechesis, Augusburg Confession ¶1
Article I: Of God.
1] Our Churches, with common consent, do teach that the decree of the Council of Nicaea concerning the Unity of the Divine Essence and concerning the Three Persons, is true and to be believed without any doubting; 2] that is to say, there is one Divine Essence which is called and which is God: eternal, without body, without parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness, the Maker and Preserver of all things, visible and invisible; and 3] yet there are three Persons, of the same essence and power, who also are coeternal, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And the term "person" 4] they use as the Fathers have used it, to signify, not a part or quality in another, but that which subsists of itself.
5] They condemn all heresies which have sprung up against this article, as the Manichaeans, who assumed two principles, one Good and the other Evil: also the Valentinians, Arians, Eunomians, Mohammedans, and all such. 6] They condemn also the Samosatenes, old and new, who, contending that there is but one Person, sophistically and impiously argue that the Word and the Holy Ghost are not distinct Persons, but that "Word" signifies a spoken word, and "Spirit" signifies motion created in things.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Ping.
So, does that mean the Muslims have signed on with the ELCA’s sexuality statement?
ROFLMFAO!
Well, at least unlike those pesky traditionalists they seem to have "joined the conversation". /sarc
Ha, ha, great question! I don’t think so!
Neither Christian, nor lutheran.
Bishop Hanson will go down in history as one of the biggest dupes that has ever walked the planet earth.
And then, will come God’s judgement.
ELCA Lutherans have become an apostate Church.
There I fixed it for you.
Please, it is a very important distinction.
The ELCA may (as if not already) be shrinking into an insignificant emergent church style left wing political cult.
I hope my church votes on Sunday to leave it!!
I know I am, and I'm taking my family and as many other people as I can.
“”prophetic diakonia””
Nonsense phrase. I wonder if these ELCA and TEC hierarchs who roam these meeting really understand and appreciate how absolutely foolish they look and sound to the people they are talking to, both Christian and Mohammedan? BTW, it makes no difference that Younan is Jordanian. He sounds like a mainline American protestant limpwrist.
Did you ever notice how hierarchial sissies and revisionists just love to use words and phrase they make up from random Greek theological/ecclesiological words?
It really is a shame that the Arab Orthodox Christians there, and the Mohammedans too for that matter, are too polite as a matter of culture, to give these characters a big raspberry!
Message to all Christians in the ELCA, "BAIL!"
The cross has lost it's meaning to them.
Perhaps that is the meaning of the sign from on high of the Minneapolis tornado inverting the cross atop Central Lutheran.
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