Contestant Q
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Posted on 10/05/2009 1:14:36 PM PDT by topcat54
Since the 1970's stunning new data has been surfacing about the pretribulation rapture's long-covered-up beginnings in the 1800's. In recent years several persons associated with Dallas Theological Seminary (which had long been pretribized) have reportedly gone to Britain to check on my research sources and then write books opposing my claims. In 1990 an Ohio pastor told me that Dr. _____ _____, the most qualified DTS prof, traveled there and came back and wrote nothing! The pastor added that he and some others had a good laugh. But change was coming. In 1993 Chuck Swindoll, who became DTS president after John Walvoord, stated: "I'm not sure we're going to make dispensationalism [the chief attraction of which is a pretrib rapture] a part of our marquee as we talk about our school." When asked if the word "dispensationalism" would disappear, he answered: "It may and perhaps it should" ("Christianity Today," Oct. 25, 1993)! But a few diehards (with the stubbornness of Iraqi insurgents and New Orleans looters) keep on milking their cash cow while continuing to cover up and twist the following historical facts about their latter-day, cult-like belief:
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Contestant Q
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So what? That's a lousy argument. Since it is a symbolic book, describing spiritual warfare, the identity of the kingdom of light vs. the kingdom of darkness is apparent.
You can most certainly believe however you please about the subject of end-times. The most important issue is, however, what do you believe about getting into heaven? Is salvation by grace through faith in the sacrificial payment of Jesus Christ on the cross? Is it by faith plus good works or can you be saved purely by earning your way there? That's the "meat", all else becomes gravy besides this most important doctrine.
Scripture says one day "we will know even as we are known". The time for arguments will be past and will probably even seem silly.
GOODNESS!
Ms DeMar seems to be quite slow today! Particularly considering that counting to 3 should not be a problem.
Fascinating.
“It did. There is textual no evidence of a pre-trib rapture in the Bible. Even some dispensationalists have admitted as much.”
I really don’t care who said what. I know Greek. I know how to study the Bible. I see a meeting with Christ by “those who are alive and remain”. After studying the Bible, I believe it to be Pre-Trib. I wouldn’t be willing to be martyred for the belief. It is a belief. I really don’t care what you think, or your husband. It seems silly that you want to attack the beliefs of Christians. I suspect people do this from an insecurity, but who knows.
“If that is all it takes, then I can find transformationalism in there as well.
Well, show us a verse then! You’ve been asked 9 times and can’t seem to find one. This is apparently an admission that you have no verse to point to, which is what I believed after our many interactions.
“Most Christians have a system that does not require a dualistic view of the second coming.
I see one time we go meet Christ where He is not on the Earth, but in the sky. I see another when Christ touches the Earth. Since Christ never touches the Earth during the “meeting in the sky”, I don’t count it as a return to Earth. That leaves me with one Second Coming.
In any case, it doesn’t matter to me how many believe it or not. I don’t determine what is true by taking a poll. Those who do will never know what it truth - only what is popular.
I answer to Him, for me.
Thanks,
ampu
There is no probably about it my FRiend. Believers can, and do, disagree on the details. A seeker stumbling into these threads would surely be led to "Christians are idiots" side of the balance. The fifth grade name-calling (much of which I expect will be directed at me after I press "post") and "My Bible is Better than Your Bible" pissing contests do more to spurn seekers than any single thing we do in the Name of the Lord. I am certain He is not proud of any of this nonsense.
It’s not an “argument” at all. Most Biblical scholars like Dr. Ed Hindson, Dr. Dave Breese, Grant Jeffrey, etc. are of the same opinion.
Not to mention, directly after Chapter 3, the plagues begin. Worldwide inflation, etc.
Time will tell, that is for sure. Peace.
Scripture has plenty of biting satire and mockery of evil.
>>I’ve gone from pre-trib to pre-wrath myself, but all I can say is, I want to be ready no matter when it happens.<<
That’s the bottom line. I said earlier it is not one of my “bullet” doctrines. A friend of mine came up with that. I asked him what it means and he said, “do you believe it strong enough to take a bullet for it”.
That certainly clears up what I STRONGLY believe and what I “think” is true.
To give credit where credit is due, here is the friend: http://edgoble.com/
That’s a good point. I wouldn’t take a bullet for that belief either. It’s one of those either/or ‘facts’ in scripture. I may steal it, LOL.
I stole it! ;)
At least by giving my friend official credit here, we know where it came from first. It’s documented. :)
OK, then I can’t get away with claiming I dood it.
The title needed fixing :)
He sounds like a very interesting character! Thanks.
Ezekiel 13 whole chapter.
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I think you mean most dispensationalist Bible scholars. Which is a minority of a minority in the real world.
You might want to broaden your horizons when it comes to which “Bible scholars” you listen to.
When you say something like, “You might want to broaden your horizons when it comes to which “Bible scholars” you listen to”, you infer that those are the only scholars that I have read.
It is not wise to assume things like that. Reading differing views is always helpful. But as I said, when Christ himself says, “Now learn a parable”, he is telling us to listen and listen closely and search the Scriptures. The signs of a near-future world oligarchy are blinding.
Fair enough. Who else have you read from the non-dispensational world?
It is not wise to assume things like that.
It was a suggestion based on your comment that “most Bible scholars”, etc. Clearly you are misinformed since most Bible scholars do not hold to that opinion.
The signs of a near-future world oligarchy are blinding.
Only to some. Mostly those who have been exposed to the erroneous system called dispensationalism, (e.g., Hindson, Breese, Jeffrey, VanImpe, Lindsey, Ice, etc.). Again, that opinion is a minority view among Bible scholars.
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