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>but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after 
>post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to 
>"prove" this or that and to proselytize.

Hello ZC. I hope you have been well.

Back in your thread titled "A Noachide's response to chr*stianity (Vanity)" I answered your post #39 systematically, point by point, in post #40 using only ...

1) Torah

2) Old Testament (Soncino Edition translated by Jews for Jews)

3) Talmud

... and I DID NOT get a systematic, point-by-point response from you.

Thus, I don't understand how it is that you state that Christians somehow need to retreat to the New Testament and Christian sources to prove the deity and messiahship of Jesus Christ.

Put another way, I agreed to your terms of sticking to Jewish sources only, and you still didn't give a full, point-by-point reply, as I did for you.

Lastly, you attempted to impugn my character in your post #41 by suggesting that I lied about my Jewish heritage and blood. Being also made in the image of the Eternal, you are better than that.

I had to go and read through the posts which you referenced. They are very long and very full of errors on both your parts.
However, it is 5:40 AM and I need to rest and rest my eyes which are glazed over from reading all this.
If you truly want a response, I will be glad to take it point by point as you suggest, but it will take some time.
I appreciate the ping. As long as we stay factual, I will participate.
So as to give you an idea of what my refutations will be based on, please understand that the Hebrew Scriptures were translated by Egyptians into Greek and had to be salvaged.
The NEW Jewish Bible “written by Jews FOR Jews” is trash as far as I am concerned. It is a corrupt modernization which I do not accept.
Again, thank you for asking me to this thread. I will certainly enjoy the debate.

Now you have come onto the other thread, which was a defense of Fundamentalist Protestants. May I ask why you have done this? Could we not have argued on the other thread? Why are you (and others) hijacking this thread for another purpose altogether? Have you ever actually read my vanity at the head of this particular thread?

As to my "impugning" your character, I asked if you were really Jewish because some people misrepresent themselves, and some do. You certainly misdated the Babylonian captivity.

As I have said many times, Judaism has nothing to prove. The burden of proof lies entirely with the new religion, chr*stianity. Unless and until it proves itself absolutely, the assumption of truth lies with the older religion, Judaism.

I do not need to provide a point-by-point refutation. The Torah is supreme and the Torah does not authorize or even provide for such a religion as chr*stianity. Its commandments are stated to be eternal many times, and the only reason the Prophets we have today are in the Hebrew Bible at all is because they were canonized by the Men of the Great Assembly, which means that they were understood from the beginning to be in submission to the Torah. 'Nuff said.

Your invoking RaMBa"M and the Talmud overlooks the fact that both these sources, which you claim have a view of Mashiach in harmony with chr*stianity, rejected that religion. If chr*stianity were as harmonious with their understanding as you say it is, then they would have certainly endorsed that religion, but they did not.

Now please read my vanity post at the head of this thread. I think it describes your beliefs (as stated on your FR home page) very accurately.