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To: Safrguns

Two reasonable people equally informed, seldom disagree. If you want to help your son you must become equally informed about the LDS church. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Have you prayed and asked God if it is true?

The Bible say If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God.

The Bible says that there will be both true and false prophets in the last days. By their fruits you shall know them. The true church of Jesus Christ will be led by prophets that receive revelations from Him.

We have 3 choices today. We can follow true prophets like Joseph Smith and the prophets that followed after him. They will lead us to Jesus. Or we can follow false prophets that will lead us away from Jesus. Or we can follow no prophets which will result in our not being led to Jesus.

We do have choices. But choose wisely.


31 posted on 09/20/2009 3:11:44 PM PDT by Alan2
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To: Safrguns; Alan2
Have you read the Book of Mormon? Have you prayed and asked God if it is true?

The Mormon Test for Truthfulness

Mormons often challenge people to pray with sincerity concerning the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, citing a verse in its closing book:

Many sincere seekers fall for this ploy, being ignorant of the warnings set forth by the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible ever direct the believing Christian to take any religious book and pray about the truthfulness of its contents. While we are told to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5), the clear Biblical directive and pattern to follow includes more than this:

Why is this the better method? Because not every self-proclained prophet is from God; many present a false gospel:

How can we determine if a prophet is speaking from God? First, the prophecy must be 100% accurate. Second, the Bible says to use God's previous revelation through Biblical authors as a standard of comparison, because no new revelation will contradict God's previous words:

More at posted link.

Alan states: The true church of Jesus Christ will be led by prophets that receive revelations from Him. Do a little research into what "revelations" have been received by mormon "prophets" in the past 100 years...and read Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants.

32 posted on 09/20/2009 3:54:45 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with media's help.)
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To: Alan2

>>> Two reasonable people equally informed, seldom disagree. If you want to help your son you must become equally informed about the LDS church. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Have you prayed and asked God if it is true?

I find believers of the LDS faith neither reasonable nor informed. Otherwise I would have witnessed by now at least one willing to challenge the tenants of their faith... namely that LDS teaches salvation by way of works... which is diametrically opposed to what the Bible teaches in that we are saved by Grace alone through the blood of Jesus Christ.

The level of inconsistencies, contradictions, misrepresentations that I have found EVERY TIME I have peered into the pages of that book is STAGGERING!
Only a spirit of deception beyond any human’s comprehension or understanding could be capable of brainwashing the human mind to the point where it is incapable of recognizing it’s faults and obvious source which is the anti-Christ.

If you don’t believe me, try doing a little research outside of LDS approved sources into the life of Joseph Smith, and tell your bishop what you find...

See what your bishop has to say about your “apostate activities”, and THEN come back and talk to me about “being informed”.


33 posted on 09/20/2009 4:20:21 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Alan2
But choose wisely.

Oh the irony...

So abundant when dealing with the LDS...

35 posted on 09/20/2009 5:49:34 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (There's something socialist in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? MITTBUSTERS!)
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To: Alan2; Safrguns
Safrguns, I read your reply to this and thought I'd add a thought or too.

Two reasonable people equally informed, seldom disagree. If you want to help your son you must become equally informed about the LDS church. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Have you prayed and asked God if it is true?

I have studied about the bom and come to the same discernment you have Safr - it is a piece of poor fiction. I would say that I am very informed. Notice nothing in Alan's statement to critically evaluate this bom in the way that the Bereans did.

The Bible say If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God.

Which is not the same as reading and praying. But contextrally James was speaking about persecution, not reading the bom. Of course, the use of "wisdom" in that passage also goes beyond blind faith.

The Bible says that there will be both true and false prophets in the last days. By their fruits you shall know them. The true church of Jesus Christ will be led by prophets that receive revelations from Him.

True, it does talk about false prophets and teachers. It also tells us that part of that 'fruit' are false teachings and sources (Gal 1:8-9). Smith's fruits are polygamy (still denigrating women today, both in Lds and flds), racism (still no apologies from the prophets for denying godhood to blacks), massacre at Mountain Meadows, just to name a few

We have 3 choices today. We can follow true prophets like Joseph Smith and the prophets that followed after him. They will lead us to Jesus. Or we can follow false prophets that will lead us away from Jesus. Or we can follow no prophets which will result in our not being led to Jesus.

Not the underlying presupposition - smith was a true prophet. The fundamental question is completely ignored - WAS smith a 'true' prophet of God and how to judge that. That modifies the equation significantly from where Alan is trying to funnel the attention to. If the bom is 'true' and contains as it claims, the history of early americas, there should be proofs - archaeology. If it is true, it should relate to the flora and fauna correctly - which it doesn't. Many studies have shown that the bom relies upon plagiarism from multiple sources - the bible, a "View to the Hebrews", Spaulding's writings, among others.

If Smith was a prophet, his prophecies would have come to pass - they haven't.

Finally, he teaches another gospel not taught by the apostles. Safr is correct in his analysis of the bom and the mormon encouraged (circular argument on their part for starters).

37 posted on 09/20/2009 6:20:58 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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