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A Calvinist Looks at Orthodoxy
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^ | Jack D. Kinneer

Posted on 09/14/2009 8:47:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

During my studies at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary, I was often asked by students, "Are you Orthodox?" It always felt awkward to be asked such a question. I thought of myself as doctrinally orthodox. I was a minister in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. So I thought I could claim the word orthodox.

But I did not belong to the communion of churches often called Eastern Orthodox, but more properly called simply Orthodox. I was not Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, or Antiochian Orthodox. As far as the Orthodox at St. Vladimir's were concerned, I was not Orthodox, regardless of my agreement with them on various doctrines.

My studies at St. Vladimir's allowed me to become acquainted with Orthodoxy and to become friends with a number of Orthodox professors, priests, and seminarians. My diploma was even signed by Metropolitan Theodosius, the head of the Orthodox Church in America. From the Metropolitan to the seminarians, I was received kindly and treated with respect and friendliness.

I am not the only Calvinist to have become acquainted with Orthodoxy in recent years. Sadly, a number have not only made the acquaintance, but also left the Reformed faith for Orthodoxy. What is Orthodoxy and what is its appeal to some in the Reformed churches?

The Appeal of Orthodoxy

Since the days of the apostles, there have been Christian communities in such ancient cities as Alexandria in Egypt, Antioch in Syria, and Corinth in Greece. In such places, the Christian church grew, endured the tribulation of Roman persecution, and ultimately prevailed when the Roman Empire was officially converted to Christianity. But, unlike Christians in the western half of the Roman Empire, the eastern Christians did not submit to the claims of the bishop of Rome to be the earthly head of the entire church. And why should they have done so? The centers of Orthodox Christianity were as old as, or even older than, the church in Rome. All the great ecumenical councils took place in the East and were attended overwhelmingly by Christian leaders from the East, with only a smattering of representatives from the West. Indeed, most of the great theologians and writers of the ancient church (commonly called the Church Fathers) were Greek-speaking Christians in the East.

The Orthodox churches have descended in an unbroken succession of generations from these ancient roots. As the Orthodox see it, the Western church followed the bishop of Rome into schism (in part by adding a phrase to the Nicene Creed). So, from their perspective, we Protestants are the product of a schism off a schism. The Orthodox believe that they have continued unbroken the churches founded by the apostles. They allow that we Reformed may be Christians, but our churches are not part of the true church, our ordinations are not valid, and our sacraments are no sacraments at all.

The apparently apostolic roots of Orthodoxy provide much of its appeal for some evangelical Protestants. Furthermore, it is not burdened with such later Roman Catholic developments as the Papacy, purgatory, indulgences, the immaculate conception of Mary, and her assumption into heaven. Orthodoxy is ancient; it is unified in a way that Protestantism is not; it lacks most of the medieval doctrines and practices that gave rise to the Reformation. This gives it for many a fascinating appeal.

Part of that appeal is the rich liturgical heritage of Orthodoxy, with its elaborate liturgies, its glorious garbing of the clergy, and its gestures, symbols, and icons. If it is true that the distinctive mark of Reformed worship is simplicity, then even more so is glory the distinctive mark of Orthodox worship. Another appealing aspect of Orthodox worship is its otherness. It is mysterious, sensual, and, as the Orthodox see it, heavenly. Orthodox worship at its best makes you feel like you have been transported into one of the worship scenes in the book of Revelation. Of course, if the priest chants off-key or the choir sings poorly, it is not quite so wonderful.

There are many other things that could be mentioned, but I've mentioned the things that have particularly struck me. These are also the things that converts from Protestantism say attracted them.

The Shortcomings of Orthodoxy

So then, is this Orthodox Presbyterian about to drop the "Presbyterian" and become simply Orthodox? No! In my estimation, the shortcomings of Orthodoxy outweigh its many fascinations. A comparison of the Reformed faith with the Orthodox faith would be a massive undertaking, made all the more difficult because Orthodoxy has no doctrinal statement comparable to the Westminster Confession of Faith. Orthodoxy is the consensus of faith arising from the ancient Fathers and the ecumenical councils. This includes the forty-nine volumes of the Ante- and Post-Nicene Fathers, plus the writings of the hermits and monastics known collectively as the Desert Fathers! It would take an entire issue of New Horizons just to outline the topics to be covered in a comparison of Orthodoxy and Reformed Christianity. So the following comments are selective rather than systematic.

First, in my experience, the Orthodox do not understand justification by faith. Some reject it. Others tolerate it, but no one I met or read seemed to really understand it. Just as Protestants can make justification the whole (rather than the beginning) of the gospel, so the Orthodox tend to make sanctification (which they call "theosis" or deification) the whole gospel. In my estimation, this is a serious defect. It weakens the Orthodox understanding of the nature of saving faith.

Orthodoxy also has a real problem with nominal members. Many Orthodox Christians have a very inadequate understanding of the gospel as Orthodoxy understands it. Their religion is often so intertwined with their ethnicity that being Russian or Greek becomes almost synonymous with being Orthodox. This is, by the way, a critique I heard from the lips of Orthodox leaders themselves. This is not nearly as serious a problem in Reformed churches because our preaching continually stresses the necessity for a personal, intimate trusting, receiving, and resting upon Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Such an emphasis is blurred among the Orthodox.

Second, the Orthodox have a very inadequate understanding of sovereign grace. It is not fair to say that they are Pelagians. (Pelagius was a Western Christian who denied original sin and taught that man's will is free to choose good.) But they are definitely not Augustinians (Calvinists) on sin and grace. In a conversation with professors and doctoral students about the nature of salvation, I quoted Ezekiel 36:26-27 as showing that there is a grace of God that precedes faith and enables that human response. One professor said in response, "I never thought of that verse in that way before." The Orthodox have not thought a lot about sin, regeneration, election, and so forth. Their view of original sin (a term which they avoid) falls far short of the teaching of Paul. Correspondingly, their understanding of Christ's atonement and God's calling is weak as well. Their views could best be described as undeveloped. If you want to see this for yourself, read Chrysostom on John 6:44-45, and then read Calvin on the same passage.

Third, the Orthodox are passionately committed to the use of icons (flat images of Christ, Mary, or a saint) in worship. Indeed, the annual Feast of Orthodoxy celebrates the restoration of icons to the churches at the end of the Iconoclast controversy (in a.d. 843). For the Orthodox, the making and venerating of icons is the mark of Orthodoxy—showing that one really believes that God the Son, who is consubstantial with the Father, became also truly human. Since I did not venerate icons, I was repeatedly asked whether or not I really believed in the Incarnation. The Orthodox are deeply offended at the suggestion that their veneration of icons is a violation of the second commandment. But after listening patiently to their justifications, I am convinced that whatever their intentions may be, their practice is not biblical. However, our dialogue on the subject sent me back to the Bible to study the issue in a way that I had not done before. The critique I would offer now is considerably different than the traditional Reformed critique of the practice.

Finally, many of the Orthodox tend to have a lower view of the Bible than the ancient Fathers had. At least at St. Vladimir's, Orthodox scholars have been significantly influenced by higher-critical views of Scripture, especially as such views have developed in contemporary Roman Catholic scholarship. This is, however, a point of controversy among the Orthodox, just as it is among Catholics and Protestants. Orthodoxy also has its divisions between liberals and conservatives. But even those who are untainted by higher-critical views rarely accord to Scripture the authority that it claims for itself or which was accorded to it by the Fathers. The voice of Scripture is largely limited to the interpretations of Scripture found in the Fathers.

There is much else to be said. Orthodoxy is passionately committed to monasticism. Its liturgy includes prayers to Mary. And the Divine Liturgy, for all its antiquity, is the product of a long historical process. If you want to follow the "liturgy" that is unquestionably apostolic, then partake of the Lord's Supper, pray the Lord's Prayer, sing "psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs," and say "amen," "hallelujah," and "maranatha." Almost everything else in any liturgy is a later adaptation and development.

A Concluding Assessment

But these criticisms do not mean that we have nothing to learn from Orthodoxy. Just as the Orthodox have not thought a lot about matters that have consumed us (such as justification, the nature of Scripture, sovereign grace, and Christ's work on the cross), so we have not thought a lot about what have been their consuming passions: the Incarnation, the meaning of worship, the soul's perfection in the communicable attributes of God (which they call the energies of God), and the disciplines by which we grow in grace. Let us have the maturity to keep the faith as we know it, and to learn from others where we need to learn.

Orthodoxy in many ways fascinates me, but it does not claim my heart nor stir my soul as does the Reformed faith. My firsthand exposure to Orthodoxy has left me all the more convinced that on the essential matters of human sin, divine forgiveness, and Christ's atoning sacrifice, the Reformed faith is the biblical faith. I would love to see my Orthodox friends embrace a more biblical understanding of these matters. And I am grieved when Reformed friends sacrifice this greater good for the considerable but lesser goods of Orthodox liturgy and piety.


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....many of the Orthodox tend to have a lower view of the Bible than the ancient Fathers had. At least at St. Vladimir's, Orthodox scholars have been significantly influenced by higher-critical views of Scripture, especially as such views have developed in contemporary Roman Catholic scholarship. This is, however, a point of controversy among the Orthodox, just as it is among Catholics and Protestants. Orthodoxy also has its divisions between liberals and conservatives. But even those who are untainted by higher-critical views rarely accord to Scripture the authority that it claims for itself or which was accorded to it by the Fathers. The voice of Scripture is largely limited to the interpretations of Scripture found in the Fathers....

....But these criticisms do not mean that we have nothing to learn from Orthodoxy. Just as the Orthodox have not thought a lot about matters that have consumed us (such as justification, the nature of Scripture, sovereign grace, and Christ's work on the cross), so we have not thought a lot about what have been their consuming passions: the Incarnation, the meaning of worship, the soul's perfection in the communicable attributes of God (which they call the energies of God), and the disciplines by which we grow in grace. Let us have the maturity to keep the faith as we know it, and to learn from others where we need to learn.

1 posted on 09/14/2009 8:47:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
However, our dialogue on the subject sent me back to the Bible to study the issue in a way that I had not done before. The critique I would offer now is considerably different than the traditional Reformed critique of the practice.

Now THIS I'd like to hear more about!!!

2 posted on 09/14/2009 8:54:23 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank you, that was a very helpful article.


3 posted on 09/14/2009 8:57:26 AM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m with Chesterton on this: his book, “Orthodoxy”, uses the term to refer to the Apostles’ Creed. That’s pretty orthodox (”right teaching”) to me...

Colonel, USAFR


4 posted on 09/14/2009 8:58:35 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Let us have the maturity to keep the faith as we know it, and to learn from others where we need to learn.”

Nicely said...


5 posted on 09/14/2009 9:00:50 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Alex Murphy

Two of my friends left for Orthodoxy. However, I was not surprised they did so with their background. I have a deep respect for the faith, but I won’t be converting.


6 posted on 09/14/2009 9:03:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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What is Orthodoxy and what is its appeal to some in the Reformed churches?

For the same reason any man denies the sovereignty of God - because it feels good to surround yourself with props and trinkets and rituals and superstitions and golden headdresses.

And most of all, because, as the article says, men really, really enjoy abusing the truth of justification by the faith of Jesus Christ alone. Men long to take credit for the things that belong to God alone.

"Mingled vanity and pride appear in this, that when miserable men do seek after God, instead of ascending higher than themselves as they ought to do, they measure him by their own carnal stupidity, and neglecting solid inquiry, fly off to indulge their curiosity in vain speculation. Hence, they do not conceive of him in the character in which he is manifested, but imagine him to be whatever their own rashness has devised. This abyss standing open, they cannot move one footstep without rushing headlong to destruction. With such an idea of God, nothing which they may attempt to offer in the way of worship or obedience can have any value in his sight, because it is not him they worship, but, instead of him, the dream and figment of their own heart." - John Calvin, Institutes, Book I. Ch. 4. Section 1.

7 posted on 09/14/2009 9:03:13 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

Really a good summary from a Reformed perspective.

“In my estimation, the shortcomings of Orthodoxy outweigh its many fascinations.”

Good sentence.

best,
ampu


8 posted on 09/14/2009 9:05:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Alex Murphy

Also, one criticism I’d like to offer from a Roman perspective—on original sin and grace, the author seems to want to compartmentalize Augustine for the West and the Eastern Fathers for the East.

Not sure you can really do this. The Eastern Fathers are *as much a part of Roman tradition as the Western ones*. The teaching on Grace, original sin, et al. cannot rely SOLELY on a single Western or Eastern Father, nor even a group of them, but must embrace the common teaching of ALL the Fathers from East and West.

Insofar as Augustine, and I say this as a proud Roman and a HUGE fan of his, struck out on his own theoretically in a few areas I feel no particular necessity in adhering to his views. His harsh view on the fate on unbaptized infants is one example—the Western Church has been sidling away from his view and closer to the Greek Fathers on that for 1000 years.

Bottom line, while I appreciate the attention they give Augustine, I think Presbyterians would do themselves a massive disservice by not giving the Greek Fathers as much attention as well.

And a little mysticism might do the Calvinist mind a world of good anyway. ;)


9 posted on 09/14/2009 9:06:00 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sola Cauvin
10 posted on 09/14/2009 9:06:08 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Alex Murphy
ping...for later
11 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:33 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Alex Murphy

“There is much else to be said. Orthodoxy is passionately committed to monasticism. Its liturgy includes prayers to Mary. And the Divine Liturgy, for all its antiquity, is the product of a long historical process. If you want to follow the “liturgy” that is unquestionably apostolic, then partake of the Lord’s Supper, pray the Lord’s Prayer, sing “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs,” and say “amen,” “hallelujah,” and “maranatha.” Almost everything else in any liturgy is a later adaptation and development.”

And this is the rub that most Protestants and other Christian groups have with Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism - the 2 thousand years of accretion, justified as coming from an authoritative Magisterium, which has added that which didn’t exist in the 1st century.

Overall, I found it to be a great article.


12 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:40 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Yudan
Thought you might find this interesting.

There are several recovering Calvinists in my Orthodox parish.

13 posted on 09/14/2009 9:14:51 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Claud

Me too. I found the Orthodox explanation for icons much better than any Catholic, and I don’t object to them as much as I do statues, perhaps because they look more like historical paintings from 1000 years ago etc. But, I wasn’t convinced by the explanation though it did make some sense. I still feel it is inappropriate.


14 posted on 09/14/2009 9:17:03 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I follow that former Calvinist friend of mine who converted to Orthodoxy and read comments on Facebook etc. I have to say, I do kind of get the sense that there is a definite promotion of the importance of people in the work of salvation.

There is a loss of our utter dependence upon God. Part of that is because of a strong emphasis on the truth that the Christian life isn’t easy. It takes actual effort on our part once God has rescued us. Protestants often miss a lot off the good parts of Orthodoxy like that as well as the connection to the entire church and heaven. But, that emphasis has gone so far as to infect the actual process of salvation in Orthodoxy as well and lead to a deemphasize of sovereign grace, which is unfortunate.


15 posted on 09/14/2009 9:23:33 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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Sola Cauvin

Yes, dear.

16 posted on 09/14/2009 9:30:56 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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And a little mysticism might do the Calvinist mind a world of good anyway. ;)

lol. There is a world of difference between "the mystery of God" as revealed in Scripture and "mysticism."

After debating a few Orthodox around here it became pretty clear Orthodoxy is riddled with question marks that the Bible answers, if sought with eyes to see.

The mystery of God is articulated in the Bible and the truth of Jesus Christ has appeared before every man on earth. It's not rocket science. Either we understand that Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, paid for every one of our sins, or we don't understand that because we have not been born again by the Holy Spirit to actually know the things of God.

The mystery of God is about God.

Mysticism is about men.

Mysticism is what the Kabbalah is to Judaism where the emphasis is on a person's "secret," personal experience over Biblical doctrine.

"We fight against mysticism and tyranny." -- "300"

They usually go hand-in-hand.

17 posted on 09/14/2009 9:58:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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I found the Orthodox explanation for icons much better than any Catholic

The "Orthodox explanation for icons" is the Catholic explanation. We accept the same council and the same definitions on the issue, and we revere the same saint (John Damascene) who led the fight on the Iconodule side.

18 posted on 09/14/2009 10:00:58 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Alex Murphy
Furthermore, it is not burdened with such later Roman Catholic developments as ... [Mary's] assumption into heaven.

False. The Orthodox call it the "Dormition," but the belief is the same.

There is a Western pious tradition (not dogma) that the BVM was assumed into heaven without dying first, which the Orthodox reject. Other than that, there is no difference.

19 posted on 09/14/2009 10:04:12 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Petronski

I’m flattered you follow me from thread to thread but your stalking is unbecoming a Christian.


20 posted on 09/14/2009 10:11:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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