******I did not say it, Christ said it. IF one does not follow Christ, then they are followers of men and that could also include elevating Paul and Timothy as Father Paul or Father Timothy.***
Exactly so, yet when one focuses on a single sentence and ignores the context around it, one is also in error. Such is this claim. Do you also follow the next admonishment and refuse to call anyone Teacher? That means that you must not call anyone Doctor (which means teacher) also.
IF I had only focused on one single sentence you would have a point. I reverence NO flesh man, and that would include using the word ‘Teacher’ in that particular context.***
What is the Teacher in that context? Dictionary.net says that rabbi means: Master; lord; teacher; — a Jewish title of respect or honor for a teacher or doctor of the law.
A teacher or a doctor of the law. Any teacher, in this context. Have you called anyone teacher in your life?
***I do not go to a Doctor to feed my ‘soul’, and when Christ hung on that cross at His death the miracle of the ‘veil’ that hid the priest was rent from top to bottom, giving each and every individual who would, direct access to the Heavenly Father through Christ. ***
If that is the pure and only explanation, then why did Christ take such pains to set up the Church and to teach the Apostles so painstakingly and so thoroughly?
***No longer was the practice required to go through a flesh man presenting a blood sacrifice to confess ones sins.***
That’s why He gave Peter and the Apostles the power to forgive sins. Good point.
***The Heavenly Father reads minds and hearts and IF one repents in the name of His Son, NO flesh man has any part of the action.***
God knows all - past present and future. Yet He has given us His Church and the priests in it the power to forgive sins. Therefore your statement is wrong.
***Paul never presented himself as Father replacement of the Heavenly Father ever. ***
No, I never said that he did. I quoted Paul extensively where he called himself the spiritual father of his flock and of Timothy, though. How do you reconcile that unless Paul is setting himself up as a subordinate spiritual Father to Christ - exactly the practice that the Church was instructed to do.
***And Christ’s point was to NOT call one father in the high ‘religious’ point of worship of any flesh man ON EARTH. His WORDS NOT mine.***
Your interpretation is. And it is not the one of the Apostles and the early Church; and reading Scripture in context, it is not the intent of Christ.
***HERE is the difference in a flesh man and the Son of GOD.***
Better be careful about the labels that you state. Some of the Scriptural Sons of God are angels. Some of them refer to powerful rulers and judges e.g. David. The giants of the OT were called Sons of God as well.
***Notice in the Chapter 22 how the pious religious leaders called Christ ‘Master’ (teacher), but NOT in reverence but in ridicule. And Christ was yet teaching those who follow Him how to distinguish not by what is said but by what the religious leaders do. Neither Peter or Paul bound the practice of elevating any flesh being as being called ‘Holy Father’.***
Yet Paul and to a certain extent the other Apostles referred to themselves as fathers and teachers (as well as to others e.g. Abraham).
***It was a public rebuke against the Jewish authorities, nothing more or less. If one does not comprehend Scripture (which is normal for personal interpretation), then one cannot be a Christian.
The Jewish authorities had no authority than what they were given by the powers that be from Rome.***
That has nothing to do with this subject. It was still a public rebuke of the Jewish authorities, if one reads the entire passage, and not a single verse.
***Christ’s instruction was timeless and yet specific for all ‘free’ minded peoples to test the ‘fruit’ of the tree, and it still is in effect to this day. We each individually are going to account for what we put into the ‘gray’ matter of our minds or spiritually speaking intellect of the ‘soul’ and Christ does not need a Church ‘filter’ to filter His WORDS to be acceptable to the traditions of flesh men.***
Christ doesn’t. Men do. Remember that the entire OT was God trying to get the Jew’s attention for more than a day at a time and failing. Even the mission of the early Christians to the Jews failed and it took Paul (and Peter and Thomas) going to the Gentiles to save the fledgling Church.
***Christ in His WORDS sowed the ‘seeds’ of truth as to what would be up to His return. ***
Not as such. He created the foundation and pillar of Truth - the Church.
***He gave the required warnings for those that would to NOT be deceived, Matthew 24:1-6. ***
Deceived about what? There was nothing written down at this point. Acts outlines the gradual realization of the Apostles that Jesus wasn’t going to come back next week or next month or next year and they had better do something about figuring out just what it was that they were supposed to believe.
***Peter wrote even regarding time before flesh man, and even how long a day is with the Lord.***
Can you explain what this means please?
***Peter gets used as having been given keys, but I can’t find those who claim to now possess Peter’s keys as being what Peter bound from his own writings.***
Does that mean that if Peter didn’t write it, that it didn’t happen? How did an illiterate fisherman learn how to write anyway? He didn’t tell us. Does that mean that he really didn’t write anything and that other people wrote it for him?
That has nothing to do with this subject. It was still a public rebuke of the Jewish authorities, if one reads the entire passage, and not a single verse.
Really, were the Herodians under the Jewish authorities? Christ spoke to all represented 'religious' authorities and it was a timeless rebuke for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.
***Christ’s instruction was timeless and yet specific for all ‘free’ minded peoples to test the ‘fruit’ of the tree, and it still is in effect to this day. We each individually are going to account for what we put into the ‘gray’ matter of our minds or spiritually speaking intellect of the ‘soul’ and Christ does not need a Church ‘filter’ to filter His WORDS to be acceptable to the traditions of flesh men.***
Christ doesn’t. Men do. Remember that the entire OT was God trying to get the Jew’s attention for more than a day at a time and failing. Even the mission of the early Christians to the Jews failed and it took Paul (and Peter and Thomas) going to the Gentiles to save the fledgling Church.
Paul says the entire OT is our script as to what would be again, our warning, to bring an end to this flesh age. I already quoted that for you. Christ at His death already went to those that returned to the Maker that sent them and offered them salvation before He revisited those alive in the flesh, to let them see and hear Him. IPeter 3:18-20
The 'mission' was to preach the Gospel, not rewrite the gospel and set up a church for the people to worship. Christ is our Savior, our kinsman Redeemer not flesh men.
None of us have any clue how many accepted Christ during the time he was 'in the tomb'
***Christ in His WORDS sowed the ‘seeds’ of truth as to what would be up to His return. ***
Not as such. He created the foundation and pillar of Truth - the Church.
But we commoners have the whole book, the WORD, to test the fruit of 'TRUTH' whether there is Christ still in any church. Or maybe that church left their first love, Christ, and founded themselves some earthly 'holy fathers'.
***He gave the required warnings for those that would to NOT be deceived, Matthew 24:1-6. ***
Deceived about what? There was nothing written down at this point. Acts outlines the gradual realization of the Apostles that Jesus wasn’t going to come back next week or next month or next year and they had better do something about figuring out just what it was that they were supposed to believe.
Oh but there was WRITTEN even at this point the who, what, when, where, and why of that tribulation I mean deception. As Christ would ask, Have you never read? According to Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, all WORDS from Christ Himself are events/actions that Christ said would take place drawing to a close this flesh age. We are well down the road given Christ said that for the elect sake 'time' would be shortened.
***Peter wrote even regarding time before flesh man, and even how long a day is with the Lord.***
Can you explain what this means please?
Very simple to find what Peter 'bound' upon this earth he wrote it down.
IIPeter 3, the whole chapter. Peter says verse 1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance;
2 That ye may be mindful of the *words* which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this *FIRST* that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?
for since the (snicker) fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
Peter just make Moses the lawgiver part of his writing, because 'the beginning' is what the WORD Genesis means and it is in the Book of Genesis where we are the 'days' of creation is described by Moses a long time after the event.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of,
(And Peter could not have more accurately described what is known and taught this day than were he to be here right now describing public/religious education.)
Now this is what *THEY* are WILLINGLY ignorant of,
that by the WORD of God the heavens were of *OLD*, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Peter is not talking about Noah's flood and there is a second witness by one of those 'holy prophets', in Jeremiah 4:22-26. I really do like verse 22 of these WORDS Jeremiah was told to pen.... For My people is foolish, they have not known ME; they are a sottish (check out what that word sottish really means) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Back to Peter and his writing IIPeter 3:6 Whereby the world that *WAS*, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 BUT the heavens and the earth which are *NOW*, by the same WORD are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
BUT, beloved, be NOT ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 BUT the *day* of the LORD will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the *day* of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.(quoting Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22)
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, had written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
BUT grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To HIM be glory both now and forever. Amen.
***Peter gets used as having been given keys, but I can’t find those who claim to now possess Peter’s keys as being what Peter bound from his own writings.*** Does that mean that if Peter didn’t write it, that it didn’t happen? How did an illiterate fisherman learn how to write anyway? He didn’t tell us. Does that mean that he really didn’t write anything and that other people wrote it for him?
Is this your church's teaching? Dissing Peter?