That has nothing to do with this subject. It was still a public rebuke of the Jewish authorities, if one reads the entire passage, and not a single verse.
Really, were the Herodians under the Jewish authorities? Christ spoke to all represented 'religious' authorities and it was a timeless rebuke for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.
***Christ’s instruction was timeless and yet specific for all ‘free’ minded peoples to test the ‘fruit’ of the tree, and it still is in effect to this day. We each individually are going to account for what we put into the ‘gray’ matter of our minds or spiritually speaking intellect of the ‘soul’ and Christ does not need a Church ‘filter’ to filter His WORDS to be acceptable to the traditions of flesh men.***
Christ doesn’t. Men do. Remember that the entire OT was God trying to get the Jew’s attention for more than a day at a time and failing. Even the mission of the early Christians to the Jews failed and it took Paul (and Peter and Thomas) going to the Gentiles to save the fledgling Church.
Paul says the entire OT is our script as to what would be again, our warning, to bring an end to this flesh age. I already quoted that for you. Christ at His death already went to those that returned to the Maker that sent them and offered them salvation before He revisited those alive in the flesh, to let them see and hear Him. IPeter 3:18-20
The 'mission' was to preach the Gospel, not rewrite the gospel and set up a church for the people to worship. Christ is our Savior, our kinsman Redeemer not flesh men.
None of us have any clue how many accepted Christ during the time he was 'in the tomb'
***Christ in His WORDS sowed the ‘seeds’ of truth as to what would be up to His return. ***
Not as such. He created the foundation and pillar of Truth - the Church.
But we commoners have the whole book, the WORD, to test the fruit of 'TRUTH' whether there is Christ still in any church. Or maybe that church left their first love, Christ, and founded themselves some earthly 'holy fathers'.
***He gave the required warnings for those that would to NOT be deceived, Matthew 24:1-6. ***
Deceived about what? There was nothing written down at this point. Acts outlines the gradual realization of the Apostles that Jesus wasn’t going to come back next week or next month or next year and they had better do something about figuring out just what it was that they were supposed to believe.
Oh but there was WRITTEN even at this point the who, what, when, where, and why of that tribulation I mean deception. As Christ would ask, Have you never read? According to Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, all WORDS from Christ Himself are events/actions that Christ said would take place drawing to a close this flesh age. We are well down the road given Christ said that for the elect sake 'time' would be shortened.
***Peter wrote even regarding time before flesh man, and even how long a day is with the Lord.***
Can you explain what this means please?
Very simple to find what Peter 'bound' upon this earth he wrote it down.
IIPeter 3, the whole chapter. Peter says verse 1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance;
2 That ye may be mindful of the *words* which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this *FIRST* that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?
for since the (snicker) fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
Peter just make Moses the lawgiver part of his writing, because 'the beginning' is what the WORD Genesis means and it is in the Book of Genesis where we are the 'days' of creation is described by Moses a long time after the event.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of,
(And Peter could not have more accurately described what is known and taught this day than were he to be here right now describing public/religious education.)
Now this is what *THEY* are WILLINGLY ignorant of,
that by the WORD of God the heavens were of *OLD*, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Peter is not talking about Noah's flood and there is a second witness by one of those 'holy prophets', in Jeremiah 4:22-26. I really do like verse 22 of these WORDS Jeremiah was told to pen.... For My people is foolish, they have not known ME; they are a sottish (check out what that word sottish really means) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Back to Peter and his writing IIPeter 3:6 Whereby the world that *WAS*, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 BUT the heavens and the earth which are *NOW*, by the same WORD are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
BUT, beloved, be NOT ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 BUT the *day* of the LORD will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the *day* of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.(quoting Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22)
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, had written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
BUT grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To HIM be glory both now and forever. Amen.
***Peter gets used as having been given keys, but I can’t find those who claim to now possess Peter’s keys as being what Peter bound from his own writings.*** Does that mean that if Peter didn’t write it, that it didn’t happen? How did an illiterate fisherman learn how to write anyway? He didn’t tell us. Does that mean that he really didn’t write anything and that other people wrote it for him?
Is this your church's teaching? Dissing Peter?
******It was a public rebuke against the Jewish authorities, nothing more or less. If one does not comprehend Scripture (which is normal for personal interpretation), then one cannot be a Christian. The Jewish authorities had no authority than what they were given by the powers that be from Rome.***
That has nothing to do with this subject. It was still a public rebuke of the Jewish authorities, if one reads the entire passage, and not a single verse.
Really, were the Herodians under the Jewish authorities? Christ spoke to all represented ‘religious’ authorities and it was a timeless rebuke for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.***
Religiously, they were. Jesus specifically names the scribes and the Pharisees. It is still a public rebuke of them and does not translate to Roman or Greek religious authorities.
***Christ doesn’t. Men do. Remember that the entire OT was God trying to get the Jew’s attention for more than a day at a time and failing. Even the mission of the early Christians to the Jews failed and it took Paul (and Peter and Thomas) going to the Gentiles to save the fledgling Church.
Paul says the entire OT is our script as to what would be again, our warning, to bring an end to this flesh age.***
If we act as the Jewish people did, then we would be doomed to repeat the OT style happenings over and over again. Remember that all of the Apostles believed that Jesus would come back in their lifetimes, and much of their early thought was to that end. That is one (certainly not only) of the reasons that John’s Gospel, written as late as it was, is very different than the other three. Another difference is the identification of Jesus as divine. The Synoptic Gospels and Paul do not identify Jesus as divine.
***Christ at His death already went to those that returned to the Maker that sent them and offered them salvation ***
Can you elaborate on exactly what you mean here? I sense that your understanding differs from the Church and would like to understand if there is any.
***Not as such. He created the foundation and pillar of Truth - the Church.
But we commoners have the whole book, the WORD, to test the fruit of ‘TRUTH’ whether there is Christ still in any church.***
If you do not have a Catholic Bible, you do not have the whole book. And, if you read the introductory verses of John, you will realize that the WORD is Jesus; the word is Scripture. A very big difference especially when one realizes that the words (except for the claim of Moses), are the words of men who were inspired by God and not dictated by Him.
******Peter gets used as having been given keys, but I can’t find those who claim to now possess Peter’s keys as being what Peter bound from his own writings.*** Does that mean that if Peter didn’t write it, that it didn’t happen? How did an illiterate fisherman learn how to write anyway? He didn’t tell us. Does that mean that he really didn’t write anything and that other people wrote it for him?
Is this your church’s teaching? Dissing Peter?***
Of course not. Your claim appeared to be that if Peter didn’t expressly write it, then it didn’t happen or had validity. My point is that Peter started out as an illiterate fisherman and wound up writing some of Scripture. Therefore not all of Scripture contains all of God’s instructions that He would have us know.
For example, you claimed that Jesus went to visit those who returned to the Maker that sent them. The verses that you quote do not quite support this. Where else are you getting information from?
And this business of a day? Thousands of years ago, the ‘day’ which was the earth’s turning period was closer to 25 hours than 24 - a fact proven by putting humans in a totally dark environment for weeks and letting them sleep naturally until they would normally wake up. Without exception they established a normal schedule of nearly 25 hours. If the 25 hours was normal early on in man’s development, let’s extrapolate back millions of years - the earth’s revolution about the sun which is supposedly relatively constant - and we find that a ‘day’ was millions of years. Therefore a ‘day’ has no meaning to your prior post in relation to the ‘day’ of now.
A Catholic dissing Peter? That made my day. Thanks.