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To: Mr Rogers

***Yes, I’ve had many lecture me on making my own interpretation of scripture - something Augustine understood, BTW, since he wrote 4 books on how to do it - but I’ll take my chances staying true to scripture.***

God leaves nothing to chance.

***Purgatory denies the power of God and the completeness of the sacrifice of Jesus.***

How?

***Indulgences are simply obscene***

Do you know the definition of obscene?

***and Mariology - the very fact that such a term exists - is blasphemy as well.***

Interesting. Do you know what Mariology consists of?

***There are some things I can compromise on, but treating the created like the Creator is not one of them!***

The Bible is created; if I recall correctly from your posts, you come very close to worshipping the Bible. That is called Bibliolatry and it is normally accompanied by a complete misunderstanding of its contents.


92 posted on 09/07/2009 6:45:39 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“God leaves nothing to chance.”

He didn’t. His Word has all the basics made plain. You don’t need to read 20 church fathers and guess which ones were right and which were wrong on any given issue. Nor do you need to read the catechism to find out which scriptures to ignore...

Purgatory denies the power of God and completeness of the sacrifice of Jesus by suggesting that, having been forgiven, we still need to be punished. And while scripture plainly says our forgiveness is complete, Purgatory says no.

“1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death...If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword...37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

There are too many scriptures contradicting the very premise Purgatory is built on - I’d have to quote the entire NT and most of the Old.

Obscene: “1. offensive to morality or decency; indecent; depraved...3. abominable; disgusting; repulsive.” Those fit Purgatory, to anyone who has seen the glory of the Gospel.

“Do you know what Mariology consists of?”

I quoted a blasphemous passage declaring Mary’s feast day. “Let all, therefore, try to approach with greater trust the throne of grace and mercy of our Queen and Mother, and beg for strength in adversity, light in darkness, consolation in sorrow; above all let them strive to free themselves from the slavery of sin and offer an unceasing homage, filled with filial loyalty, to their Queenly Mother. Let her churches be thronged by the faithful, her feast-days honored; may the beads of the Rosary be in the hands of all; may Christians gather, in small numbers and large, to sing her praises in churches, in homes...”

“The Bible is created; if I recall correctly from your posts, you come very close to worshiping the Bible...”

Really? I consider it the word of God - “God-breathed”, to quote the scriptures. I therefor take it seriously, but you have never and will never see me write about the Bible the way the Pope wrote about Mary.

So - why does the Catholic Church fear scripture? Why did God “breath” words so clumsily that only the Catholic Church can know their meaning? Why are Catholics taught to read Scripture by the light of the Catechism, rather than the Catechism by the light of God’s Word?

If the plain meaning of God’s word didn’t contradict Catholic teaching, then Catholics could interpret scripture with the Holy Spirit to lead them. If the Word of God isn’t authoritative, how can the word of the church be?


109 posted on 09/07/2009 7:24:00 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Bible is created; if I recall correctly from your posts, you come very close to worshipping the Bible. That is called Bibliolatry and it is normally accompanied by a complete misunderstanding of its contents.

So how does one avoid this "bibliolatry?" By believing G-d's Word is full of myths and errors?

Donal Anthony Foley is right. A suspicion of the Bible entered the Catholic Church at the time of the Reformation and paved the way for its openness to evolutionism.

128 posted on 09/07/2009 8:09:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu; vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad-`olam la`asot 'et-kol-divrey HaTorah)
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