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To: Rutles4Ever; Petronski

Perhaps you would like to explain, word for word, what the Greek REALLY means?

You are entitled to opinions, but not facts. Take the Greek text. Sit there with a lexicon. You won’t get “Full of grace”. You will get ‘favored one’.

Yes, some of the explanations of Greek are from sites showing why the Catholic Church is wrong...show me a time I’ve whined when someone posted something from This Rock, or any one of a number of Catholic sites. If a Catholic site wants to translate it differently, and can back it up with a good lexicon, have a nut.

I’ve spent hours reading from the Catholic Encyclopedia, or from Vatican websites, as recommended by Catholics on FR. I’m reading (slowly) a book on the Orthodox Church, recommended by an Orthodox member of FR. Truth is truth.

If the so-called anti-Catholic (and you can call ANYONE who disagrees with you anti-Catholic, just as I could call you anti-Baptist) is lying, nail him. If not, deal with it.

The FACT is that the Greek word doesn’t mean “full of grace”. No where. Although “full of grace” does exist, it isn’t used here.

And the only reason for caring is to make Mary “sinless” - which the word also doesn’t mean.


422 posted on 09/09/2009 11:42:54 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
...you can call ANYONE who disagrees with you anti-Catholic...

And you can insinuate that I do. That doesn't make it true.

When you post from CARM, don't expect me to pretend CARM is just some kind of innocent case of "us v. them."

What kind of Christian proselytizes Christians, or denies the Christian faith of other Christians?

...just as I could call you anti-Baptist...

Yet you won't find me lying about what Baptists believe or saying Baptists aren't Christians. But hey, if you want to emulate Matt Slick, go for it.

424 posted on 09/09/2009 11:51:46 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers
Perhaps you would like to explain, word for word, what the Greek REALLY means?

"you [woman] who has been filled with grace"

425 posted on 09/09/2009 12:00:24 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers

I already did.

The FACT is that the Greek word doesn’t mean “full of grace”. No where. Although “full of grace” does exist, it isn’t used here.

Jerome's translation was correct.

426 posted on 09/09/2009 12:18:49 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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