Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive (Name) himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment.
Tell me that the highlighted parts are not condemnation. Please. It's also interesting that the burning torment to which the ex-communicated person is judged and condemned (yes, those are the correct words) continues not until Jesus is satisfied, but the church is satisfied.
Jesus claimed the sole right to judgment; apparently, the Catholic Church has taken over that role, and now I - as a follower of the heretic Luther, who has read his writings without the approval of the Pope - am to be punished until the Church - not Jesus - is satisfied.
Those are the words you posted. Do you deny them? Do you deny they state judgment and condemnation? Do you want to stick with your story that the church does not judge or condemn?
You follow Luther? Not Christ?
Actually, no, those are not the correct words. It says "we judge him condemned" not "we judge and condemn him."
***Touched a nerve, I see!***
Has it made your day?
***What do you care what an illegitimate Christian who follows a man of evil says? What is your concern?***
Unlike the swill of the Daily KOS or the vomit of DU, FR is supposed to hold itself to higher standards and posters are normally required to speak the truth.
***Your posts do not support your claims.***
They normally do. I’ll have to step it up.
***You refuse to use the Bible as the final Word of God in determining what is right and wrong. ***
A Presyterian and a Jehovah’s Witness debating will both use Scripture and will both be wrong. If they cannot, and the Bible tells us that any man cannot, then the only authority left is the Church.
***Tell me that the highlighted parts are not condemnation. Please. It’s also interesting that the burning torment to which the ex-communicated person is judged and condemned (yes, those are the correct words) continues not until Jesus is satisfied, but the church is satisfied.***
The part that you are still missing is that it is the intent of the Church to convince the individual that he is wrong. Notice that the intent is to save his soul. The judgement of the Church is to whether or not the individual is in communion with God, not his everlasting soul. The reason that the Church calls upon itself to be satisfied is that the Church is the authority on earth, authorized by Jesus.
***Jesus claimed the sole right to judgment; apparently, the Catholic Church has taken over that role, and now I - as a follower of the heretic Luther, who has read his writings without the approval of the Pope - am to be punished until the Church - not Jesus - is satisfied.***
Eyes to see and ears to hear. Nowhere does it say that the Church condemns; it only says that those individuals that it thinks have excommunicated themselves are deprived of the Body and Blood of Christ (remember St. Paul stating that those who take Communion unworthily eat and drink destruction into themselves?)until they repent and come back to God.
***Those are the words you posted. Do you deny them? Do you deny they state judgment and condemnation? Do you want to stick with your story that the church does not judge or condemn?***
It is the opinion of the Church that those who are determined to go to hell should not take Communion. Therefore, as long as they are determined and nobody can convince them, then the Church will recognize their decision.