Posted on 08/31/2009 10:30:06 AM PDT by Colofornian
The Prophet Joseph Smith cautioned latter-day saints to avoid undue political partisanship because it didn't amount to much more than giving one side or another the rope with which to hang us.
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Liberals accuse Mormons of being too conservative on abortion. However, we believe abortion may be prayerfully considered in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is in danger. It is the individual's choice, but that choice should be made after serious reflection, prayer, and receiving guidance through the Holy Spirit. This more moderate position causes the religious right to label us as "flip-floppers."...
Similarly, the religious right took LDS leaders to task for not backing their position on an outright ban on stem cell research. However, we believe in the sanctity of life. Our reasonable view is down the middle, which brings criticism from extremists on the left and the right.
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It's clear that the religious right regards us with suspicion because we have often been less than supportive of some of their core issues...
Nevertheless, the extremists on both the left and the right tend to react emotionally. Christian conservatives call Mormons "RINOS" (Republicans in name only)...
In the blogosphere, it is evident that anti-Mormon attacks are just as common on conservative Republican sites like Free Republic as they are on the Democratic Underground or the Huffington Post. Anti-Mormonism seems to transcend party affiliations. Mormons are influential in both political parties in Congress. Despite their differences, Senators Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch could join former Governor Mitt Romney in a Mormon sacrament meeting, set aside their political differences, and testify to the world that Joseph Smith was a prophet. I think that's just one of the things that makes the world wary of us...
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(He also references how the "religious right" tends to label candidates like Romney as RINOS) -- all while trying to defend what he calls a non-extremist "down the middle" Mormon position on abortion:
From the commentary: However, we believe abortion may be prayerfully considered in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is in danger. It is the individual's choice...
MY comment: So Mr. West is "pro-choice" on abortion, eh?
Continuing his comment: ...but that choice should be made after serious reflection, prayer, and receiving guidance through the Holy Spirit.
MY comment: Oh, yeah, we get it. When all else fails...when no one reason for an abortion can be found, just pray about it and loop God in as an Accomplice in the Mass Conspiracy against the womb!
Continuing his comment: This more moderate position causes the religious right to label us as "flip-floppers."...Similarly, the religious right took LDS leaders to task for not backing their position on an outright ban on stem cell research. However, we believe in the sanctity of life. Our reasonable view is down the middle, which brings criticism from extremists on the left and the right.
MY comment: Well, one of the historical times that somebody tried to take a "down the middle" approach to an infant's life led to Solomon wisely concluding, "OK. I'll settle this dispute. I'll cut the baby in half and you can each have half." Applying Solomonic wisdom to the "pro-choice" Greg West types =
#1 West can claim their Mormon "prophet"-inspired "prayerful" "choice" of dismemberment, all while...
#2 ...conceding to our "sanctity of life" position that "Yup, this was a baby who really belonged to someone, after all..."
Bottom line: Too bad all Greg West concedes to us here is some pyrrhic victory where he nods in agreement that these babies' lives were theoretically sacred and sanctified -- but since the Mormon general authorities deemed their lives as ones to be trumped by people like incestuous step-fathers or other perp relatives -- and/or the grand trump card of sanctimonious Mormon prayer -- mass murder in the womb winds up being partially justified.
Continuing his comment: ...we believe abortion may be prayerfully considered in cases of rape, incest...
MY comment: (Hey, men committing incest cover up their crimes via abortions! "Way to go" LDS for reinforcing this!)
LDS theology is a thoroughly moving target. Don’t waste too much breath on these folks.
Chapter 11.
Concerning Teachers, Apostles, and Prophets.
Whosoever, therefore, comes and teaches you all these
things that have been said before, receive him.
But if the teacher himself turns and teaches another
doctrine to the destruction of this, hear him not.
But if he teaches so as to increase righteousness and
the knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord.
But concerning the apostles and prophets, act according
to the decree of the Gospel.
Let every apostle who comes to you be received as the
Lord.
But he shall not remain more than one day; or two days,
if there’s a need.
But if he remains three days, he is a false prophet.
And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing
but bread until he lodges.
If he asks for money, he is a false prophet.
Didache
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html
Many of us have'em right in our families ~ but you'll never find that among the Leftwingtards. They know in advance and simply throttle the kids in the cradle ~ No Mormons There!
Similar problem on the professional Left regarding Jehovah's Witness members. You Fur Shur never heard any of the Leftwingtard network people mention that Michael Jackson had been a Jehovah's Witness for a good part of his life. Orthodox Jews have a similar problem with the Left ~ they simply don't exist.
Let's get real here ~ outside of the people who "used to be Mormons" there's very little in the way of "attacks" against Mormons on FR ~ if, in fact, any of the relatively mild criticisms can be construed as real attacks anyway.
Frankly, I doubt that the writer of the piece is actually a good Mormon ~ and I know some good Mormons ~ and they don't insert that petty "oppressed minority" whine in their day to day discussions.
Prayfully consider abortion, huh?
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
He was in the process of converting to the muzzie religion of peace. Isn't that sort of like going from the frying pan into the fire?
“there’s very little in the way of ‘attacks’ against Mormons on FR ~ if, in fact, any of the relatively mild criticisms can be construed as real attacks anyway.”
Wow, you are misinformed. There most certainly have been vicious attacks against Mormons on this site. I have had to hit the abuse button many times - successfully, thank God.
Don't really need to consider that. God wrote it on a stone using His finger. not once but twice
(It's one of them there, "thou shalt nots")
No, those are not attacks on Mormonism ~ they are mild criticisms at most, or simply discussions that take place in a "compare and contrast" environment. Folks who "used to be Mormons" aren't attacking Mormonism either ~ they are merely discussing their own life experiences.
Everybody here at FR is exceedingly tolerant of differences provided, of course, you are against government fraud and abuse, and in favor of defending the United States of America against all enemies, domestic and foreign.
Since life begins at conception, neither rape nor incest is a justification to kill the baby.
The only time you might "prayerfully" consider killing the baby would be to save the life of the mother.
So after “prayerfully” coming to the conclusion that God “wants or grants” a mormon permission to abort a baby, what does that do for the “spirit children” in heaven who are awaiting their chance to prove themselves on earth?
What is their recourse? How do they get to prove their “worth” to “Heavenly Father” if they’ve been aborted before they draw their first breath? What path do they get/have to take in order to “return” to one of the “kingdoms”?
Smacks of hypocrisy based on their teachings that their are so called “billions of spirit children born in heaven waiting for their temporal bodies”.
SZ
The test on whether it’s OK to kill a baby conceived of rape or incest would be
“would you consider killing a 5 yr old child conceived in this manner?”
In these cases, it’s a “conflict” of someone’s right to live vs someone’s right to kill.
Only in the case of carrying a pregnancy to term causing a genuine threat to the life of the mother should there be ANY consideration of “rights”, because in this case, it is indeed the conflict of two persons’ right to live.
oops,
“...teachings that thier...” = “...teachings that there...”
The dead-soul leftists do not want Americans to see that there are two patients presented when a pregnant woman is seen by a doctor OR by an aborticutionist. That way the leftist can ignore the slaughter of one of the alive patients when it suits the expediency leftist will always assert as more valid than God-given inalienable rights. The democrap party has been canceling the rights of alive human beings for so long now, as they empower their dead-soul party throught the slaughter of alive unborn children, that they must now seel out completely to continue defending their evil wickedness.
+1
I hit the abuse button because I was highly offended, hurt and wounded by the vicious attacks on my heart-felt religious beliefs. Most of the attacks were taken down, thank God.
I am a Mormon. Every single Mormon I know - to the one - is pro life.
From LDS.org
“Abortion - Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church.”
Do some real research, people, before you start throwing stones.
“Abortion - Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church.”
(From lds.org)
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