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Roman Catholic seminarians embrace strict rules
Desert News ^ | August 29, 2009 | Eric Gorski

Posted on 08/29/2009 1:37:21 PM PDT by NYer

DENVER — The seminarians' wallets are empty, except for driver's licenses and insurance cards. To buy cigarettes or clothes or anything else, they must ask their superiors for money — an exercise in obedience and a reminder that material things aren't important.

They have virtually no time alone, on or off campus, and are required to travel in pairs, "two by two," like Jesus' disciples. They live in a world without cell phones or personal computers, and their evenings end promptly at 10.

No Roman Catholic seminary is a resort. But few men who study for the priesthood endure the sort of rules that govern life at the Redemptoris Mater House of Formation.

Redemptoris Mater is a new experiment in molding Catholic priests who are faithful to church teaching and authority, and zealous in their desire to lead other Catholics down that same road.

On the one hand, the rules are a throwback to 50 years ago, when would-be priests led regimented existences apart from the rest of the world. But Redemptoris Mater men also teach the faith at parishes and spend two years on mission trips, knocking on doors looking for Catholics in Bronx housing projects or Minneapolis suburbs.

The rules "are difficult to get used to, but it's because we come from this very individualistic society, where it's just me," says seminarian Joseph Toledo. "Those things have to be torn down. But it isn't like we're living in a bubble, either."

Toledo is the 29-year-old son of a Puerto Rican cab driver, and is one of the few American-born seminarians on the rolls in 2008-09. All told, there are 33 students from 14 countries.

In this, they reflect the changing face of the U.S. priesthood.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer
KEYWORDS: catholic

1 posted on 08/29/2009 1:37:21 PM PDT by NYer
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Redemptoris Mater Archdiocesan Missionary Seminary
2 posted on 08/29/2009 1:38:43 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Pope Benedict XVI is fond of quoting a Benedictine motto: “Succia virecit”. Pruned it grows again.


3 posted on 08/29/2009 1:40:46 PM PDT by Steelfish
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4 posted on 08/29/2009 1:41:43 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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Seminarian Joseph Toledo prays during the morning Mass at the Redemptoris Mater House of Formation Roman Catholic seminary in Denver.
5 posted on 08/29/2009 1:44:19 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Steelfish

I like that! He must have forgotten the account of Jesus cursing the fig tree that did not bear any fruit ;-)


6 posted on 08/29/2009 1:45:47 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Thanks for posting this. There have been a lot of people posting errant information about the Church and seminaries and priests in general during this Kennedy thing.


7 posted on 08/29/2009 2:00:02 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: NYer

This is one of the liberals’ fundamental problems; refusing to recognize virtue in self discipline.


8 posted on 08/29/2009 2:02:03 PM PDT by Spok
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These threads show a steady progression from the liberal seminaries to the very strict ones that are now in operation.

In Seminaries, New Ways for a New Generation
Seminary Springtime: Father Darrin Connall s Big Success
EVIDENCE GROWS OF DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE TO VATICAN IN MAJOR AMERICAN SEMINARIES
Pope to Church: Risky Seminarians Must Go
Priests Down, Seminarians Up
U.S. Priests and seminarians survey: more vocations in orthodox dioceses
Vatican Announces Surge in Seminaries during JPII Pontificate
Seminary Reform Needed in Wake of Sex Abuse Study ["the crisis in the Church is ... homosexuality"]
Homosexuals in seminaries? The latest.....
Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary

Bishop urges gay ban in clergy; presses for overhaul in screening priests
A New Breed of Priest
AUSTRIAN SEMINARY SHUT DOWN FOR PROBE
Seminarians Show Support For Celibacy
556 Reasons for Hope [Seminarians Support Celibacy]
No Shortage of Vocations From Conservative Parishes
Oakland seminary housing sex offender priests
Phoenix bishop to helm Priestly Formation Committee [of USCCB]
Vatican Firms up Plans for U.S. Seminary Visitation in 2005
SIBLING VOCATIONS - Early calls led two sisters to same religious order

On the admission of homosexuals to seminaries
Catholic priests demand the right to marry
New Start For Austrian Seminary
Disciples of Pope John Paul (Faculty of Gregorian University Gripe About Piety of New Seminarians)
New Priests in U.S.: Older, and More >From Abroad (Survey Tracks Trends Since 1998)
U.S. seminarians welcome Pope Benedict XVI
Vatican review of seminaries to raise issue of gay priests
Some Decry Retirement Despite Priest Shortage
The Priesthood Ordination Class of 2005 “People would be surprised to know that I…”
(Catholic) Seminarians Double In 25 Years

Pope's death inspires would-be priests
Changes Add Up for Priesthood
Irish Bishops Apologize to Seminary Whistle-Blower
SIGNAL CALLING - UB quarterback foregoes family and career to train for priesthood in Rome
Pop Culture Heros Help Recruit Priests
Small Bible-belt (Catholic) diocese sees increase in seminarians
Dashing young priests turn heads at Youth Day br> Vatican to Start U.S. Seminary Evaluations
Apostolic Seminary Visitation To Begin This Fall
U.S. Bishops to Begin Inspecting Seminaries

Prelate Says Gays Shouldn't Be Ordained
American overseeing Vatican evaluation of US seminaries says gays should not be ordained
Vatican to Check U.S. Seminaries on Gay Presence
POPE APPROVES BARRING GAY SEMINARIANS
Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests
Questions Arise Over Seminary Inspections
New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests
New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests (ABOUT TIME)
VATICAN: HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT TO BE ORDAINED AS CATHOLIC PRIESTS
Homosexuals in the seminary; A Global Church in a Globalized World
Gay Men Ponder Impact of (Anti-Gay Clergy)Proposal by Vatican(Barf Alert)

Aquinas Seminary is First for Scrutiny
Vatican Begins Inspections At St. Louis Seminary (Rector: No homosexuality-pedophilia link)
The Sins of the Seminaries
Notre Dame Experts React to Potential Seminary Rules
Seminary Reviews Not Just About Homosexuality, Says Prelate
Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays
Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays
Jesuit official protesting expected Vatican ban on gay priests
A Catholic Moment of Truth

Gay Catholics Angry Over Seminary Searches
New Rules Affirm Pope Benedict's Stance Against Gays
New Report on Vatican Gay Priests Document Said to be Gay Lobby “Rumor Mill”
Gay men can be priests if celibate
Gay men can be Catholic priests if celibate-paper
No ban on gays expected in Vatican document; will advise 'prudential judgement'
African Cardinal Views the Vocation Shortage - With Full Seminaries, Ghana Shares Its Wealth
Keep the Ban
Today's seminarians: The Vatican survey
Lincoln diocese boasts highest number of priests to Catholics

Vatican Document on homosexuals in seminaries will be published tomorrow
Married Priests Aren’t the Answer (a seminarian states his view)
Vatican document restricts gays in priesthood: paper
Barring gays from priesthood not discrimination, say Italian bishops
Roman Women are Converts to Convents
Heads Up!! Zero Hour is 9am on December 29
Why I Thank God I Couldn’t Be A Priest
A look inside the Denver seminaries
Ordination Challenges: Out of the Seminary, Into the Fire
Vatican teams checking seminary effectiveness (in all, 229 US seminaries to be reviewed)

Seminaries Are Overflowing in Socialist Vietnam
Seminaries Full in Southern India (despite new anti-conversion law)
Ordination Class of 2006 - New Catholic Priests include twins, converts and some surprises
Twin ordinands, youngest of 13, credit parents for priestly vocations
Eleven new priests for Denver, largest ordination class in 40 years
Religious vocations can come from anyplace
Coordinator of U.S. seminary visitations expects report this fall
Continued growth for Australian seminaries
Journey of faith runs through R.I. (young Polish immigrant ordained to priesthood)
A leaf of Faith (Catholic convert enters religious life)

More twins (enter priesthood)
These twins are doubly blessed - Identical brothers from Erie to become priests today
New, stricter Priestly Formation Program issued for U.S. Catholic seminaries
O Father, Where Art Thou? (US catholics coping with shrinking priesthood)
Pope Tells of Key to Awaken Vocations (address to religious and seminarians at Vespers)
U.S. Catholic Seminary Probe Sent to Vatican
Homosems, A Year On
Vocations Are Up at English-Speaking Seminaries
Vocations Surge - The Priest Shortage Isn’t Over, But Seminaries Are Filling Up
To Know, To Love, To Lead (Pope Benedict XVI ordains 22 new priests)

God delivers (IL) mail carrier to the priesthood
No shortage of priests in Atlanta, more than 50 seminarians
Not so much catechism as conviction (Thomas Aquinas College Produces a Harvest of Priests)
Archdiocese of San Antonio dedicates new seminary dorm to meet vocational demands
Filled to overflowing (MN seminary at an all time high)
The Priesthood of Jesus Christ - Body and Blood (Confessional ... Consecration ... and Calvary)
Interest in the priesthood is on the upswing, says Baltimore archdiocesan vocations director
Thousands of inquirers visit vocations advice web site [Catholic Caucus]
Chase Hilgenbrinck, from the pitch to the priesthood
Many Types of Vocations Blooming in Missouri Diocese

Vatican finishes work on psychological testing of seminary candidates [Catholic Caucus]
Catholic Caucus: Seminary Revival in Boston ( Good News for Mass )
Vatican report: Most U.S. seminaries are generally healthy (so say the USCCB)
More students pursue vocations
Catholic priest numbers increase
Former Episcopal bishop discusses his new life as Catholic priest
Wagga seminary full (No room down under)
Former Protestant Minister Pursues Priesthood
Faith Journey Leads United Methodist from Pastorate to Catholic Priesthood
Roman Catholic seminarians embrace strict rules

9 posted on 08/29/2009 2:40:59 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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Good article!

"It's important to have a time in your life in which you experience that it's possible to live without TV, that you don't need the Internet. It's possible to overcome temptation, to have a celibate life, a chaste life. The society presents you these things as impossible. So if they're impossible, you don't even fight it, you say, 'What the heck?' The culture is always pressing, pressing."

I agree with this. These men aren't always going to live the way they are in the seminary. However, they will have proved to themselves that they don't have to believe what the world tells them, because they've already done what the world says is "impossible."

Then, in addition to being faithful to their own vocations, they can tell the laity that they, too, can do what the world says is impossible or unrealistic.

10 posted on 08/29/2009 3:15:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Much of political rhetoric serves as a substitute for reasoning." ~Thomas Sowell)
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It sounds to me like this seminary is a tough “boot camp” type of environment.

It might be so tough as to weed some men out, but, that happens in the military boot camp.

This type of training may make them stronger as a result.

From what I hear, elite military units such as the Navy Seals or Army Delta Force have their own boot camps, and they are much more stringent than the regular boot camps that the applicants have already gone through.

So this sounds to me as if they want the strongest possible priests to emerge from their training, just as the Navy Seals are an elite group of Navy men. Not every sailor can survive Navy Seal training, just as not all men will last through this priest training. But, those who do emerge will be the strongest possible priests.


11 posted on 08/29/2009 4:13:12 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: NYer

But they bow to the shirne of fatso teddie.


12 posted on 08/29/2009 4:13:47 PM PDT by RoshYisrael
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To: RoshYisrael
Actually, Teddy's family requested that his funeral mass be at Boston Cathedral. They were denied that request.

The Cardinal of Boston attended the mass but was not the celebrant.

13 posted on 08/29/2009 4:19:45 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
they want the strongest possible priests to emerge from their training, just as the Navy Seals are an elite group of Navy men

That's a good comparison.

The article also mentioned that a number of the seminarians come from poor countries and have no experience with American life. This type of progam helps them adjust.

14 posted on 08/29/2009 5:07:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Much of political rhetoric serves as a substitute for reasoning." ~Thomas Sowell)
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To: RoshYisrael
You are quite mistaken and owe these seminarians an apology.

Now, RoshYisrael, if you want to talk about the 77% of Jews who voted for Obowma, have at it.

15 posted on 08/29/2009 6:43:06 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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