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I haven't follow this thread very closely but I wonder what type of funeral the Catholic Church will provide Ted Kennedy. I know that we've discussed this on many other thread. Now we'll see whether the Catholic Church really stands against abortion or not. Does anyone want to take any bets?

The type of burial given to Teddy may tell you something about the state of the Catholic Church in Massachusetts, or a least the part of it where Teddy lived. In time-honored FR religion forum tradition of course, that will be conveniently extrapolated, run with and stretched to the point where we can make a little mischief regarding the overall mission of the Church.

Pay attention and try to keep up.

FYI, the main obstacle in the path of the UN on its way to declaring abortion to be a universal human "right" is the Vatican and has been for some time. Oh, make that the Vatican and a few Islamic countries.

Ironic, isn't it?

Our beloved US of A (the country the Vatican wants to take over) has sadly been out to lunch in this battle for quite some time. Sad, isn't it?

Glad I could help.

In time-honored FR religion forum tradition of course, that will be conveniently extrapolated, run with and stretched to the point where we can make a little mischief regarding the overall mission of the Church.

Who needs to extrapolate, run with or stretch it, when St. Ignatius said it so well:

"Where the Bishop is, there is the Catholic Church."

What St. Ignatius actually says to the Smyrneans is "wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." It's not the presence of the Bishop that makes the Church, but the presence of Christ, the "Bishop of all" (Magnesians 2:3). Christ is present in many ways. Certainly He is pre-eminently present in His Mysteries, to which every priesthood is ordered and for which reason no-one is ordained to any ministry higher than that of Bishop.
-- from the April 2009 article Getting grumpy about primacy.

If the Bishop is empowered to make Christ present in the Eucharist, and the Eucharist is presented at any/every Mass, then the shortened misquote "Where the Bishop is, there is the Catholic Church" is IMO valid.

No, I don't think so. There are many people who don't believe abortion to be right-not just Catholics as you pointed out. And there are many people who believe in abortion, including Catholics. In Italy, one of the LARGEST Catholic countries in the world, they passed a law in 1978 that allowed women to have abortions. When they tried to rescind the law, 80% voted for keeping it. Compare that to the US who if Roe vs Wade was put up for a vote tomorrow, would probably fail (except in rape or incense).

The Vatican can't even keep abortion away within its own country of origin. And now you would have us believe that the Vatican has been leading the charge? You would have been more helpful if you would have gotten your facts straight.