Posted on 08/22/2009 5:15:57 PM PDT by rhema
If you're looking for a church without sinners, I suggest (a) you'll be looking for a long time; and (b) if your search is successful, please don't join up and spoil it for everyone else.
First contraception, then divorce, then homosexuality. Will the next step be pedophilia or bestiality?
Who was it that said that all heresy begins below the belt?
Who are openly practicing their deviancy while continuing in their ministry, with the approval of their entire church hierarchy, as in the ELCA and ECUSA?
Zero.
I still remember a virulent anti-catholic freeper here who posted that his lifelong Catholic grandmother, who reportedly attended Catholic service every Sunday, was read the Gospel on her death bed by a protestant minister and remarked that that was the first timeshe had heard the Gospel. This was his de-facto indictment of Catholicism and how it had fallen from His word.
I've never seen a clearer demonstration of ignorant bigotry.
(For the uninitiated, the Catholic mass includes a Gospel reading every single mass)
If that is "home", I choose to be "homeless"!
Don't know the reference, but it sounds anecdotal. You will always be able to find individuals that misuse or misinterpret their place.
The existence of individual teachers that sleep with students doesn't mean that I choose that my children are "uneducated"!
The existence of individual policemen that take bribes doesn't mean that I choose that my family is "unprotected"!
And the existence of individual doctors that are deficient doesn't mean that I choose that I am "untreated"
It means that the world is full of imperfect and sometimes misguided human beings and I need to let His ideals guide my actions, not their failings.
His ideals have been occasionally misrepresented, but they haven't changed since His son gently laid them out circa 2000 years ago. The Catholic church today is much closer to those ideals than the human corrupted mess that represented itself as the Catholic church 500 years ago and doesn't merit the scorn that Luther's followers visit upon it.
Go to a strict Baptist, Bible or Evangelical Free Church. Go to a church that is Bible based and passionate about God’s Holy Word. Please do not choose a church just because you like the music. Do not go to a church that is based on man’s traditions which change like the wind that blows. Ask God to lead you to the church that He knows you belong in and trust Him to do so.
I’m a former Episcopalin who waited patiently for either TEC to come to its senses or for ortodox Anglicans in the US to unify under a new denomination. ACNA is too little, too late.
After much meditation and prayer, I decided to answer the call of the mother church and convert to the Roman Catholic faith.
First RCIA class was last Thursday night. I was welcomed with open arms into a loving family. I’m convinced that my decision was the right one for me.
- JP
LORD, WHERE SHALL WE LUTHERANS GO?
Home?
Mel
I don't know, but it is most certainly the truth. Very often even the most elaborate and seemingly abstract heresy turns out to be simply a way for its founder to justify his particular sexual practices.
“First RCIA class was last Thursday night. I was welcomed with open arms into a loving family. I’m convinced that my decision was the right one for me.
- JP”
As a RCIA teacher and a convert, I welcome you home.
Then everyone would benefit. That’s great.
Tell your story to all of the boys abused by priests. Incidents that the Roman Catholic Church tried to cover up, transferring priests to other unsuspecting parishes, and paying off families.
Scorn? Rejection of hypocrisy, yes scorn, that is for God to decide.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!"
Congratulations! It's been ten years since I went through RCIA, from being a very-lapsed Southern Baptist.
“I am convinced the Homos are infiltrating each sect of Christianity to do these things.”
Oh of course they are.
Tell your story to all of the boys abused by priests. Incidents that the Roman Catholic Church tried to cover up, transferring priests to other unsuspecting parishes, and paying off families.
So you let the deviant actions of individuals that don't make up one percent of one percent of the faith write off all of Catholicism for you?
Seriously?
I don't know whether to find that very sad, or merely a convenient rationalization for common anti-catholic bigotry, as it makes as much sense as your son disassociating himself from you and the rest of his family because of the actions of his grandmother.
Given the clear precedent of teachers molesting and otherwise mishandling students and school administrators suppressing the records for liability concerns, can I assume you've removed him from organized education as well? And have you taught him that all law enforcement is to be similarly written off as hypocritical due to the instances of police officers that have been implicated in acts of corruption?
Or do you only treat the Catholic church in this fashion?
But you are wasting your time trying to convince or convert me.
But you are wasting your time trying to convince or convert me.
No, interestingly, I've never felt "holier" than anyone else. More tolerant of other faiths perhaps, but never holier.
And I wasn't trying to convert you. I just always find it intriguing the way people go out of their way to take shots at the Catholic church.
I have always found intriguing the way the Catholic church and their members take umbrage when I object to them taking shots at me.
The reformation is an historical movement. Its effects (good and bad) still reverberate to this day.
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