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LORD, WHERE SHALL WE LUTHERANS GO?
VirtueOnline.org ^ | August 22, 2009 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 08/22/2009 5:15:57 PM PDT by rhema

As one whose profession it has been for many years to observe the plight of Christianity, I am always grateful for signs that our God is truly a Jewish God - one with a hilarious sense of irony. This happened again during the ELCA's national assembly, which will go down in history as a singularly boneheaded display of unfaithfulness.

Just as delegates worked themselves up to their decision to allow homosexuals in committed relationships to serve as pastors, a highly selective tornado knocked the cross off the roof of Central Lutheran Church in Minneapolis, where some of their shameful meetings took place.

I could not help grinning: This was truly Old Testament-style: God sometimes uses nature to make a point. Of course you will have to believe in these things in order to grasp their ramifications. If on the other hand you accept Biblical truths only selectively, as did the majority of the Minneapolis delegates, then this incident could only have been a random occurrence - you know: as random as the beginning of the universe.

I was then reminded of another display of God's irony 40 years ago in East Berlin when a television tower, the tallest building in the whole city, went into operation. Walter Ulbricht, the East German Communist party leader, had ordered it built to symbolize the superiority of the Marxist-Leninist worldview that was the state religion in his land.

When the tower was inaugurated on a sunny day, the Communists were shocked. Its rotating ball-shaped dome consisting of hundreds of thousands of metal prisms reflected the sun in the shape of a huge cross regardless of the time of the day. Ulbricht's regime invested millions of marks to rid their edifice of this embarrassing phenomenon. It did not succeed. To this day, an enormous shining cross keeps dominating Berlin, which has alas become the most godless capital city in Western Europe.

To Christians in Germany this amusing episode serves as a reminder of who is still boss -- even after 56 years of Nazi and Communist dictatorship, and the demented two decades of secularization that followed Germany's reunification in 1990.

Until then, East Germany called itself German Democratic Republic, or GDR, for 40 years. Germans used to quip that this acronym stood for a threefold lie. The GDR was neither German, nor Democratic, nor a Republic. One wonders whether a similar analogy could not be made for the ELCA now that its national assembly of this denomination supposedly committed to the "Sola Scriptura" principle stressing the authority of Scripture.

Is it still "evangelical"? Surely not. Is it still "Lutheran"? No way. Is it in fact still "Church" in the original sense of this word deriving from the Greek vocable "Kyriake" (belonging to the Lord)? That depends on which Lord are we talking about - God or a wimp who does not care whether His word is mocked? The Greek word for church is "ekklesia," meaning "called out." In the light of the ELCA's new sexuality decision we must ponder the identity of the Spirit the largest Lutheran church body in the United States seems to follow these days.

To state it bluntly, there is nothing Lutheran about what has happened in Minneapolis. We have witnessed 19th century cultural Protestantism gone wild -- the theologoumenon that Christ and the highest expressions of aspirations of culture are in agreement. But what are at any given time the highest expressions and aspirations of culture? Do they not come across as Zeitgeist, or spirit of time? Were not Nazism and Communism two murderous manifestations of a Zeitgeist? The genocidal "choice" ideology that has slaughtered more than 50 million unborn children in America since the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling in 1973 certainly falls into the same category.

Aghast, faithful Lutherans wonder: "Lord where shall we Lutherans go?" Why is it that we Lutherans so often lose our way just at a time when no message is more needed then ours? Let it be known that there exists a paradoxical tension between Christ and culture: The certainty of being forgiven sinners through Christ's redeeming work on the cross frees us to engage the world with all its foibles but not to embrace them as the ELCA has just done.

I observed the ELCA's Minneapolis proceedings on my computer and murmured, "Lord, have mercy." Then I remembered one of my favorite lines in the Psalter: "He who sits in the heavens laughs" (Psalm 2:4). It's really good to have a Jewish God occasionally sending selective tornados and marking a godless edifice with a shining sign of the cross.

----Uwe Siemon-Netto Ph.D., D.Litt. is Director, Center for Lutheran Theology & Public Life, St. Louis, Missouri


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: apostasy; elca; homosexualagenda; lutheran; lutherans; religiousleft; schism
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yes, they did outgrow Papism.


101 posted on 08/23/2009 2:55:38 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: kittymyrib
Sorry to hear of the "change" though much began with the strumming of guitars in the '60s-'70s in the Catholic Church and music has gone down since that time trying to be "groovy" as you put it.

Growing up signing the great hymns of the great masters certainly does give one pause in most of today's version of "music" of what my former choir director called "7 11" songs (seven words sung 11 times!)

Music or what today is referred to as music, which is mostly mono-tonal mumbo-jumbo accompanied by pseudo-rock bands and the like, causes more dissension in churches today.

102 posted on 08/23/2009 3:06:01 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: rhema

Why not get a head start on the rest of us, and begin to practice whatever you plan to do when being openly Christian is made illegal?


103 posted on 08/23/2009 3:22:03 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: Vanders9
Yes, they did outgrow Papism

Sorry, I don't know what you mean.

The "protestant reformation" was like a little boy running away from home. I said, "eventually they outgrow it." Speaking generally.

104 posted on 08/23/2009 3:59:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Redleg Duke
Nope, you folks learned absolutely nothing from the Reformation.

What "folks," Catholics?

Continuing with my (very apt) analogy from another post, that's like a runaway child telling his parents "you learned absolutely nothing from my running away."

105 posted on 08/23/2009 4:05:29 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: MichiganMan

Thanks the anti Catholic bigotry gets old sometimes but mostly I just figure someone has an attitude and a healthy dose of msplaced hate in their hearts to make them act that way. I’ve read the whole Bible several times though I can’t quote but I never felt that made one a better Christian, more just a show off. It’s more important to know what it truly means.


106 posted on 08/23/2009 7:27:15 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Nosterrex

False doctrine is true. Some ELCA pastors in my area are teaching that it was necessary for Christ to die, but it is not necessary for people to believe in him in order to be saved.


107 posted on 08/24/2009 12:00:29 AM PDT by MarilynBr
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To: the invisib1e hand

And the fact that you put it like that, in that manner, is proof positive that the condescending, overbearing attitude that sparked the reformation (it doesn’t have quotes) is still alive and well.

Why wouldn’t you want to run away from an abusive home?


108 posted on 08/24/2009 12:43:24 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: MichiganMan

Reading the gospel every mass is great, except that just like everything else that is done by rote it can just “wash over folks”.

Explaining the Gospel every mass, now that would be good.


109 posted on 08/24/2009 12:46:15 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
Reading the gospel every mass is great, except that just like everything else that is done by rote it can just “wash over folks”.

Explaining the Gospel every mass, now that would be good.

Which is where the priest's homily immediately following the Gospel reading comes in. 

110 posted on 08/24/2009 3:34:42 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Oprah: Commercial Beef Agriculture=Bad, Commercial Chicken Agriculture=Good...Wait, WTF???)
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To: rhema

A bible-based, non-denominational church.


111 posted on 08/24/2009 3:44:20 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: MichiganMan

I’ve been to catholic masses where the homily has been absolutely stunning. I’ve been to others where it has been little more than a few trite words about “goodness”.

Conversely, I’ve been to Anglican services that have sent me to sleep, I’ve been to others that have left me leaping with joy. I’ve heard Baptist sermons that have stayed with me forever, I’ve been to others where the preacher was clearly having some kind of breakdown. I’ve been to Methodist services that have terrified me, I’ve been to others that have calmed my mind. I’ve been to Pentacostal services where I’ve learned things I’d never considered before, I’ve been to others where I couldn’t wait to get out the door.

In the final analysis, it’s all about whether the people leading, whatever they call themselves, are smart and humble enough to let God work through them.


112 posted on 08/24/2009 5:06:04 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: PjhCPA

I hesitate to offer that invitation...my congregation has had nothing but problems with former ELCA members who refuse to let go of their old ways...


113 posted on 08/24/2009 9:25:08 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: rhema

A suggestion of where to go for ELCA members: When the first truly doctrinally indifferent, socially-driven merger occurred in one of the predecessor church bodies of the ELCA, that of 1917, when the Norwegian Synod, the United Norwegian Lutheran Church of North American, and the Hauge Synod, they formed a church body that a little later was named the Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELC). The basis of their merger was, besides the Norwegian ethnicity of all three groups, characterized by a phrase derived from a “study document” of the time. The phrase was “agree to disagree.” That phrase became the organizing and operating principle of each new merger that followed, culminating in the 1981 merger that became the ELCA. So, after 92 years, when the first agreement to disagree was over the doctrine of election (really about whether the Bible and Lutheran Confessions taught SOLA GRATIA, that is, saved by grace, 100% the work of God), the ELCA has now agreed to disagree about whether homosexuality and same sex marriage is a sin or a wonderful and blessed gift of God. WOW! To say that Martin Luther would be spinning in his grave is putting it mildly ... he was surely spinning in his grave in 1917 too, but that was then and this is now.

A small group of congregations (seven) and pastors refused to go along with the 1917 merger. That small group, grown to about 140 congregations, still exists today. They have their own college and seminary, and can be found throughout the country. It is called the Evangelical Lutheran Synod (ELS). They confess and teach today what they did in 1917. So, instead of looking for a new home, how about an old home. Come home. It may not be an easy change for you, because you have wandered far, far from home. But SOLA GRATIA, SOLA FIDE, SOLA SCRIPTURA, and thus, SOLUS CHRISTUS still reign supreme, and the cross of Christ not only remains firmly attached to steeples, but Christ crucified for sinners is preached every Sunday in every congregation by every pastor.


114 posted on 08/24/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: MarilynBr
This is form of universalism. Christ died for all sins including the sin of unbelief. Everyone will be saved, regardless of their beliefs or actions, by grace for the sake of Christ's suffering and death. If this is so, why bother evangelizing? In fact, why even have a church? It seems that God wasted much ink by inspiring men to record the necessity of faith. Here is THE problem. There is no salvation OUTSIDE of Christ. All who are saved are saved IN Christ. Salvation or justification is not some extrinsic to Christ. Faith unites us with Christ in which we receive what Christ has achieved for us.
115 posted on 08/24/2009 11:02:40 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: rhema
Lord, Where Shall We Lutherans Go?

Did the homosexuals just nail their theses to your door? Relax, you've just been "reformed". You've experienced a "reformation" in a way you never expected. Enjoy.

What goes around, comes around.

116 posted on 08/24/2009 11:27:12 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: stefanbatory

That’s interesting. Maybe the pastor needs to do some better ‘vetting’ before the council accepts them as members.


117 posted on 08/24/2009 11:32:03 AM PDT by PjhCPA
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To: PjhCPA

it is a common happening throughout the synod, unfortunately...


118 posted on 08/24/2009 12:09:15 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: the invisib1e hand

And they went out the door unto them...

God Will Remove the Leaders

1 For behold, the Lord GOD of hosts is going to remove from Jerusalem and Judah
Both supply and support, the whole supply of bread
And the whole supply of water;
2 The mighty man and the warrior,
The judge and the prophet,
The diviner and the elder,
3 The captain of fifty and the honorable man,
The counselor and the expert artisan,
And the skillful enchanter.
4 And I will make mere lads their princes,
And capricious children will rule over them,
5 And the people will be oppressed,
Each one by another, and each one by his neighbor;
The youth will storm against the elder
And the inferior against the honorable.
6 When a man lays hold of his brother in his father’s house, saying,
“You have a cloak, you shall be our ruler,
And these ruins will be under your charge,”
7 He will protest on that day, saying,
“I will not be your healer,
For in my house there is neither bread nor cloak;
You should not appoint me ruler of the people.”
8 For Jerusalem has stumbled and Judah has fallen,
Because their speech and their actions are against the LORD,
To rebel against His glorious presence.
9 The expression of their faces bears witness against them,
And they display their sin like Sodom;
They do not even conceal it.
Woe to them!
For they have brought evil on themselves.
10 Say to the righteous that it will go well with them,
For they will eat the fruit of their actions.
11 Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him,
For what he deserves will be done to him.
12 O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.

God Will Judge

13 The LORD arises to contend,
And stands to judge the people.
14 The LORD enters into judgment with the elders and princes of His people,
“It is you who have devoured the vineyard;
The plunder of the poor is in your houses.
15 “What do you mean by crushing My people
And grinding the face of the poor?”
Declares the Lord GOD of hosts.

Judah’s Women Denounced

16 Moreover, the LORD said, “Because the daughters of Zion are proud
And walk with heads held high and seductive eyes,
And go along with mincing steps
And tinkle the bangles on their feet,
17 Therefore the Lord will afflict the scalp of the daughters of Zion with scabs,
And the LORD will make their foreheads bare.”
18 In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, headbands, crescent ornaments, 19 dangling earrings, bracelets, veils, 20 headdresses, ankle chains, sashes, perfume boxes, amulets, 21 finger rings, nose rings, 22 festal robes, outer tunics, cloaks, money purses, 23 hand mirrors, undergarments, turbans and veils.
24 Now it will come about that instead of sweet perfume there will be putrefaction;
Instead of a belt, a rope;
Instead of well-set hair, a plucked-out scalp;
Instead of fine clothes, a donning of sackcloth;
And branding instead of beauty.
25 Your men will fall by the sword
And your mighty ones in battle.
26 And her gates will lament and mourn,
And deserted she will sit on the ground.


119 posted on 08/25/2009 8:14:33 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: nina0113
Who was it that said that all heresy begins below the belt?

Attributable to Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

120 posted on 08/25/2009 8:33:54 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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