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To: Kolokotronis
I have always found it surprising that Western Protestant Christians can’t seem to understand what appears so simple to us in The Church.

When we get to a certain (young) age, we no longer believe in Santa or the Tooth fairy either...No SnowWhite and the Seven Dwarfs either...

Scripture is not based on your tradidion...Your tradition is based on scripture...And obviously the scripture is only a base for YOUR religion...

God gave us doctrine and the way of salvation in the scripture...Many things were left out including Sunday School, school buses, what size light bulbs to use in the auditorium, what color of robes the choir should wear, etc...But what was not left out was doctrine and the way to salvation...

If anything in your tradition takes away from or adds to doctrine, the Kingdoms, salvation, Holiness, etc., it's anathema to God and to me...

When the time drew nigh that our Savior was well-pleased to take His Mother to Himself

Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...He definitely did NOT take His mother to Himself to create Himself...You can get that philosophy from numerous pagan religions that were around for many years before God in the flesh showed up...I highly suspect that's where your idea of the mother/son relationship showed up because it is certainly not scriptural...Or maybe you guys are just followers of Nimrod...

8 posted on 08/15/2009 5:40:28 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...
Whatever odd cult you follow, it certainly is divorced from the Christian Faith.
12 posted on 08/15/2009 6:36:06 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Iscool

“Your tradition is based on scripture...”

I, with all due respect, that’s simply ahistorical nonsense. Whether or not you believe the Holy Tradition about the Most Holy Theotokos is completely up to you. But history, I , is history. The men who decided what would make up the canon of the NT believed the report set out in the Synaxarion I quoted just as much as they believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the consecrated bread and wine on the altar tables, or the veneration of icons and relics, or the hierarchial nature of The Church or the “ortho-doxia” of the Divine Liturgy or any of hundreds of other Traditions handed down from Apostolic times. Don’t accept Holy Tradition if that’s what you want, but don’t delude yourself into believing that those Greek bishops who canonized the books of the NT allowed ANYTHING into their canonized scripture which conflicted with what they preserved as Holy Tradition. Nothing like that, I, made the “cut”; most especially don’t think that the NT created Holy Tradition. Its quite the opposite.


14 posted on 08/15/2009 7:25:00 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Iscool
Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother

When you get bored with re-inventing 1600 year old heresies (this particular one is called Nestorianism, and was rejected by the One True Church in AD 431) ...

the Truth, and His Mother, will still be here waiting for you.

15 posted on 08/15/2009 7:40:33 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Iscool; narses

“Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...”

Strange, that’s not what the Bible says.

Matthew 1:18: “This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged...”

Mary 3:31: “Then Jesus’ mother and brothers arrived.”

John 2:1: “Jesus’ mother was there...”

John 2:3: “When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”

John 19:25: “Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.”


20 posted on 08/15/2009 8:12:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool
Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...

Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.

"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43

38 posted on 08/16/2009 6:57:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Iscool
Ladies and gentlemen, the Nestorian heresy:

Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...

45 posted on 08/16/2009 9:39:29 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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