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To: dartuser

“If this event was true, it would be in the gospels or Acts.”

Why? What does the last verse of +John’s gospel say, d? All sorts of things happened that aren’t in the NT. The fact is, the men who decided what you would read for the NT believed exactly this. The yardstick they used to decide what Christians today would read was Holy Tradition and that’s what this comes from. Put another way, the scriptures don’t define Holy Tradition, Holy Tradition defined the scriptures.

I have always found it surprising that Western Protestant Christians can’t seem to understand what appears so simple to us in The Church.


6 posted on 08/15/2009 7:24:24 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Christ is in our midst!

Just returned from Liturgy and the Feast. The wife of one of our Arab brothers prepared a bunch of wonderful food.

I brought a 5 gallon keg of home-brewed beer. Catechumen Cream Stout (as requested by our Men’s book club).


7 posted on 08/15/2009 10:34:24 AM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: Kolokotronis
I have always found it surprising that Western Protestant Christians can’t seem to understand what appears so simple to us in The Church.

When we get to a certain (young) age, we no longer believe in Santa or the Tooth fairy either...No SnowWhite and the Seven Dwarfs either...

Scripture is not based on your tradidion...Your tradition is based on scripture...And obviously the scripture is only a base for YOUR religion...

God gave us doctrine and the way of salvation in the scripture...Many things were left out including Sunday School, school buses, what size light bulbs to use in the auditorium, what color of robes the choir should wear, etc...But what was not left out was doctrine and the way to salvation...

If anything in your tradition takes away from or adds to doctrine, the Kingdoms, salvation, Holiness, etc., it's anathema to God and to me...

When the time drew nigh that our Savior was well-pleased to take His Mother to Himself

Jesus, the 2nd part of the Trinity had no mother...He definitely did NOT take His mother to Himself to create Himself...You can get that philosophy from numerous pagan religions that were around for many years before God in the flesh showed up...I highly suspect that's where your idea of the mother/son relationship showed up because it is certainly not scriptural...Or maybe you guys are just followers of Nimrod...

8 posted on 08/15/2009 5:40:28 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Kolokotronis; dartuser

“The yardstick they used to decide what Christians today would read was Holy Tradition and that’s what this comes from.”

This reads like the spurious gospels floating around.

“While these things were taking place, clouds caught up the Apostles from the ends of the earth, where each one happened to be preaching, and brought them at once to the house of the Mother of God, who informed them of the cause of their sudden gathering. As a mother, she consoled them in their affliction as was meet, and then raised her hands to Heaven and prayed for the peace of the world. She blessed the Apostles, and, reclining upon her bed with seemliness, gave up her all-holy spirit into the hands of her Son and God. With reverence and many lights, and chanting burial hymns, the Apostles took up that God-receiving body and brought it to the sepulchre, while the Angels from Heaven chanted with them, and sent forth her who is higher than the Cherubim.”

I know what John wrote about how not all things were written - but this would dwarf any miracle mentioned in Acts OR the Gospels. Frankly, it would out-do Jesus ascending to Heaven.

It seems in no way critical to how we receive salvation, nor does it encourage bad living...but I probably speak for a lot of Protestants in being skeptical that such an event took place without Scriptural mention.

But as long as you don’t say I need to believe it for salvation - and I doubt you do - then we can allow our differences to be settled by God in His timing.

This would concern me more:

“As mother of life, you departed to the source of life, delivering our souls from death by your intercessions.”

How did Mary deliver our souls from death by her intercessions?


9 posted on 08/15/2009 6:03:29 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Thank you. Very clearly stated; I have never heard it said better.


10 posted on 08/15/2009 6:10:18 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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To: Kolokotronis
What does the last verse of +John’s gospel say, d?

In its own way, it says sola Scriptura is false.

44 posted on 08/16/2009 9:37:30 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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