[Campion]

You want to show us where Mary was present as the mother of God before the world was created???

We don't believe that, so you're shooting blanks. Mary is as much a creature as you or I are. She was created in time, and in fact created in much the same way as any other human, but without the stain of Adam's sin.

Perhaps if you stopped hating (what you think is) Catholic belief and actually tried to understand it, we might make some progress.

But if you deny that Mary is the Mother of God, then you have to believe one of:

1. Mary is not Jesus' mother
2. Jesus is not God
3. Jesus (the Second Person of the Trinity) and Jesus (the Galilean carpenter born of the Virgin Mary in a stable) are two distinct persons

Nestorius voted for option #3. Which error do you choose to embrace?

[Iscool]

But if you deny that Mary is the Mother of God, then you have to believe one of:
1. Mary is not Jesus' mother
2. Jesus is not God
3. Jesus (the Second Person of the Trinity) and Jesus (the Galilean carpenter born of the Virgin Mary in a stable) are two distinct persons

Says You...

There is a fourth option apparently you guys know nothing about...

It is being born again...Born from above...The circumcision made without hands...Putting on the new man...

I can explain it to you but you still won't get it because you won't believe it...

But let me ask you a question...Can God the Father be killed??? The obvious answer should be 'NO'...Then how is it that Jesus; God come in the flesh, was killed???